 Poster: A snowHead
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Zero-G, That raises the question . . . which man infected you? Are we talking 'Scandiflu', Seasonaireflu, Estrangeflu or have you just been poked with a deadly umbrella?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The main reason I'm denying this is that admin and me are reasonably loved-up at the moment, so there's no point in acknowledging some sort of awkward truth that even I can't understand (and I wrote it).
You'll note that admin definitely did accuse me of being "mendacious", which hits harder than being accused of smelling like some catpiss-sodden eiderdown (which he correctly denied). However, this is all 'water under the bridge' ... as a troll quipped to me this morning.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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flangesax, in the context of the original thread it reads as an accusation that then couldn't be backed up.
In the greater scheme of things, none of this is important and the world will continue to spin on its axis. In the interim, it makes for car crash forum reading.
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flangesax, Can we call it Catpissgate?
Mistress Panda, Hard to pick a hole in that argument. I'm sure there must be one though.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Arghh you're all to quick for me! Can't post speedily on a tablet device.
Masque, it it most definitely Scandiflu (a woman's got to have standards).
Comedy Goldsmith, far be it for me to come between a good bromance  Carry on.
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| Zero-G wrote: |
Masque, it it most definitely Scandiflu (a woman's got to have standards). |
A low standard is still a standard 
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feef, this talk of standards could segue neatly back to the original topic of this thread...
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| Mistress Panda wrote: |
| If the SCGB is going to be ok under French law, what is to stop the TOs setting up a "not for profit" ski club which costs £5 to join, everyone who hasn't joined when they get to resort just pays up on the spot, and covers the cost of the ski hosts lunch each day they are working? That is a ski club, and the hosts will carry on doing what they do, being members of the same ski club and showing their fellow club members around the mountain and where is good for lunch. The fact that the host is having their accommodation, food, and lift pass provided by a large organisation with huge financial backing while they are working is, well, identical to the SCGB if they do it this way. |
Absolutely.
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Zero-G, Shhh don't give it away!
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Comedy Goldsmith, Just for the sake of accuracy, re the alleged catpiss / cat's wee wee incident, were you referring (or not as the case may be) to the exceptionally potent strain of marijuana known as catpiss or the urine of a cat? Smelling of a plant (albeit one that gets its name because of the way it smells) is clearly better.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
Mistress Panda, Hard to pick a hole in that argument. I'm sure there must be one though. |
Where there is a badly interpreted and drafted law which is being used for commercial gain to achieve a purpose for which it was never intended there's a way...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Mistress Panda, until someone dies . . . 
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Comedy Goldsmith, Just for the sake of accuracy, re the alleged catpiss / cat's wee wee incident, were you referring (or not as the case may be) to the exceptionally potent strain of marijuana known as catpiss or the urine of a cat? |
I wasn't referring to either of them. I drink cat piss and reek of it.
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You know it makes sense.
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Comedy Goldsmith, is it like reeking of Guinness?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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No, it's even worse. It has the bouquet of Yellow Snow.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Comedy Goldsmith, he needs to start by getting his facts straight.
He says:
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| I am personally rather disgusted with the (ESF) French Ski Ski School Association's decision to outlaw tour operators offering a free ski guiding service. |
If he'd bothered read almost ANYTHING on the subject he'd know that wasn't the case.
And then he says:
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| I am going away to Mayrhofen in the Ziller Valley in Austria next week with a group of around 10 friends. I lived and ski guided there for a winter (and then summer) season. If this were a French resort, would I not be allowed to show my friends around? Would I have to shell out for a guide to show me around an area I already know and want to show my friends? |
which misses the paid v unpaid point completely.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Mon 25-02-13 14:22; edited 1 time in total
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In a vain attempt to bring some relevance back to this topic, might I suggest that we all refuse to accompany kids on lifts who are on ESF lessons. Also if anyone has any T.O. influence, get the reps to tell hotel guests to do the same. Do this on the grounds of "sorry I have not been CRB checked to accompany that 6 year old on a lift with me and with all the accidents that have happened recently, I refuse to do it".
Now under normal circumstances I would not consider doing this, but can you imagine the impact it would have on the ESF if every British holiday-maker took this stance and they knew why this stance was being taken !!.
This may have been mentioned before, but I really couldn't be bothered to read through the last few pages of drivel.
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feef, OOOOO . . . an ice skimmed brew in whisky barrels . . . niiiice . . . but it's rather a an evening in with a great steak type of beer. The Rogue can be enjoyed out with the lads (though carefully )
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feef, I've drunk their stronger Sink the Bismarck before (41%). Initially tastes like beer concentrate before becoming nearly undrinkable. Took ages to get through a decent sized measure of it. Would not do again.
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| Kel wrote: |
In a vain attempt to bring some relevance back to this topic, might I suggest that we all refuse to accompany kids on lifts who are on ESF lessons. Also if anyone has any T.O. influence, get the reps to tell hotel guests to do the same. Do this on the grounds of "sorry I have not been CRB checked to accompany that 6 year old on a lift with me and with all the accidents that have happened recently, I refuse to do it".
Now under normal circumstances I would not consider doing this, but can you imagine the impact it would have on the ESF if every British holiday-maker took this stance and they knew why this stance was being taken !!.
This may have been mentioned before, but I really couldn't be bothered to read through the last few pages of drivel. |
I think that this is a very sensible suggestion as after all we all care about safety on the slopes and therefore believe that only appropriate adults should accompany children on chair lifts!
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So ski clubs are okay?
When I ran craft fairs, the insurance covered members of a club or society. Every stall holder was granted one hundred years membership for the sum of one pound. Coincidentally all new members got a one pound discount on their first table fee. Membership cards were issued to comply with the insurer's wishes.
So if someone set up a ski club, on the internet for instance. And if people could join and have provable membership, like some kind of card or something. And if the appointed leaders were registered with this ski club as in resort leaders for the club. Even though such a leader might have to support themselves by having a job locally, they would probably get some time off, as detailed by their employer's duty roster. One could see how an employer such as a tour operator might give preference to an employee who had a keen interest in winter sports as evidenced by their taking on a voluntary role for a ski club and would be willing to give them appropriate time to take other club members round the pistes. It might be very convenient for any guests at hotels or chalets to find that the staff were also leaders for the same ski club of which they happen to be members.
Now all we need is for someone to start an internet based ski club.
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| Masque wrote: |
| Mistress Panda, until someone dies . . . |
At that point, the family of the victim tries to sue, the anonymous leadership of the club disappears, the club folds and everyone walks away quietly pretending nothing ever happened. Or they just get a whole lot of liability insurance for the club, a fairly straightfoward thing to get. It could replace carre neige if the cover was good enough...
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thirty06, There are instructors on here that use that system, so they can run clinics in France. Fair play to them and I am glad they do
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Fattes13, Don't they have to travel together or only be in resort for the duration of the trip? I can't see the locals putting up with an endless (even if small) stream of "club members" passing through resort whilst their "club coach" spends the season under the local noses.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Mistress Panda wrote: |
| Or they just get a whole lot of liability insurance for the club, a fairly straightfoward thing to get. It could replace carre neige if the cover was good enough... |
 Don't think so. PI cover for a club is entirely different from the type of personal piste rescue cover provided by Carre Neige
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I have no idea of the exact criteria for it I am sure Robrar,is probably best placed to advise as he would certainly know more than me.
I laughed at a thread on the BASI forum this week about offering a guiding course for TO workers so they could operate group’s ski hosting services. I nearly sprayed my screen laughing with what followed.
The criticism of ESF milking money form people when the BASI course being lauded as a good idea even though it still would not meet the French requirement was side tickling.
The reality here is simple the French law is as it stands very clear on appeal, the higher courts could rule that the guiding wording only applies to high Alpine and Glacier regions and is not intended for in bounds resort skiing. So people can vote with their feet and ££ or they can whinge about it endlessly online
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Poster: A snowHead
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So people can vote with their feet and ££ or they can whinge about it endlessly online
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or they can just ignore the whole storm in a teacup. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| pam w wrote: |
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So people can vote with their feet and ££ or they can whinge about it endlessly online
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or they can just ignore the whole storm in a teacup. |
And how could they do that, if for them T.O. hosting was an important part of their Holiday.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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And how could they do that...
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Austria, Italy etc etc. France ain't the only show in town.
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France ain't the only show in town.
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and it ain't the only country where TO guiding has been outlawed, either, according to other posts in this thread.
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pam w, please save me from 32 pages of pain... what countries?
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Switzerland and Austria have been mentioned - and the Arlberg, specifically, more than once.
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Just found one (the search function actually works quite well) Haggis Trap said on Weds 20th on the other thread (make your thoughts known....) that the Austrians had banned unqualified ski hosts in the Arlberg some time ago.
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Mark Warner are continuing hosting in Austria after suddenly and without notice removing hosting from all French chalets.
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Kel, they only have two chalet hotels in St Anton, and no other resorts. Hosting only takes place on 2 days a week.
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pam w, yeah, St Anton won't even allow an SCGB leader. But the rest of Austria, popular places like Zillertal, SkiWelt, Kitzbuhel etc etc, the tour ops are hosting away merrily there. Switzerland doesn't surprise but then only about 5% of the UK market goes there.
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