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volklwaffen, why do you need to train someone as a chef if all they're going to do is reheat stuf in plastic bags?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Lizzard, I was wondering that too. Not sure I'd be happy being a guest there. Ping cuisine?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Comedy Goldsmith, why don't you put your points to the club and publish the answers here? Thousands ski with the ski club, so this is a vital issue, unlike the 10 year old discussion on a ski school in a lesser know French resort, that you threw all you toys around over being corrupted.
The case you cite in your forth point is an interesting one, because it's a case that many people believe you attempted, with the help of another, to influence through the old open forum. It seems that someone with a vested interest in the prosecution of that case was posting on the forum under an assumed name in an attempt to provoke responses that would damage the club's defence. You knew the person and probably suspected his motives, but didn't inform your club. As a result, many now view you as a traitor, a sneak, a Judas...
...some also say that you smell of cat piss.
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| PJSki wrote: |
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PJSki wrote:
Boredsurfing wrote:
So SCGB leaders paid or unpaid?
I understand an ex-rep (sacked for being a danger to others) is out in the Alps doing 'favours' for skiers in return for a free lunch and a bit of cash. Legal?
Rarely do I agree with you but on this one you are spot on. Nope, when it's for cash that is totally illegal and dangerous.
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I have skied with the ex-rep on a number of occasions, and confirm cash has never changed hands. You are under no obligation to buy lunch. It is up to the individual if they wish to buy lunch for anyone else. |
What kind of wood do you want your coffin made out of? |
I'm with codger on this one. I ski with the person, my mate, a lot. Don't know anyone with a more pro active attitude to mountain safety. Cash doesn't come into it. Isn't a drinkie or a bite to eat just good old fashioned courtesy for a day well spent?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Billy Whizz wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
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PJSki wrote:
Boredsurfing wrote:
So SCGB leaders paid or unpaid?
I understand an ex-rep (sacked for being a danger to others) is out in the Alps doing 'favours' for skiers in return for a free lunch and a bit of cash. Legal?
Rarely do I agree with you but on this one you are spot on. Nope, when it's for cash that is totally illegal and dangerous.
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I have skied with the ex-rep on a number of occasions, and confirm cash has never changed hands. You are under no obligation to buy lunch. It is up to the individual if they wish to buy lunch for anyone else. |
What kind of wood do you want your coffin made out of? |
I'm with codger on this one. I ski with the person, my mate, a lot. Don't know anyone with a more pro active attitude to mountain safety. Cash doesn't come into it. Isn't a drinkie or a bite to eat just good old fashioned courtesy for a day well spent? |
You carry on then, son, but just remember he was deemed to be unsafe and given the boot. Some would even go further and say that he's been proven to be unsafe. Maybe he's improved, I don't know and I don't care. But you are correct in that is long as you only cover his expenses he is within the law.
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Lizzard, [bold]Hells Bells[/bold], as there would be handling of food involved especially in the case of "assembly cuisine", a training as chef would be necessary when it comes to food hygiene.
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| PJSki wrote: |
| you smell of cat piss |
| Gerry Aitken wrote: |
| go and rot |
You and your friend Gerry should quit the personal abuse and stop seeing each other.
| SCGB forum guidelines, terms and conditions wrote: |
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Personal attacks against individual members of the forum are not allowed
Users must not antagonise other users of this service or post any information that could be considered defamatory, obscene, abusive, vulgar, hateful, [etc. etc.]
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| krakatoa wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
| you smell of cat piss |
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I agree,
Makes PJski at best, sound like a 10yr old at worst personally abusive.
If Comedy Goldsmith is not your cup of Tea(other clubs are available) that's fine, but I don't see why that is acceptable?
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| krakatoa wrote: |
| SCGB forum guidelines, terms and conditions wrote: |
uot;]
Be excellent to one another
Personal attacks against individual members of the forum are not allowed
Users must not antagonise other users of this service or post any information that could be considered defamatory, obscene, abusive, vulgar, hateful, [etc. etc.]
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Other terms and conditions are available. |
But you're not a member of the forum, having been banned.
Anyway, back to the thread topic.
Might the TO's just pay their hosts basic expenses as a way around?
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| Dwarf Vader wrote: |
| krakatoa wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
| you smell of cat piss |
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I agree,
Makes PJski at best, sound like a 10yr old at worst personally abusive.
If Comedy Goldsmith is not your cup of Tea(other clubs are available) that's fine, but I don't see why that is acceptable? |
Comedy himself said that someone had suggested he smelt of cat's piss so all I'm doing is repeating what he said. Whiff of self-burning martyr?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
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| The Ski Club of Great Britain has announced it will be continuing with its leading service in France. It is able to do so as its leaders are unpaid volunteers though they do have most of their expenses paid including accomodation, lift pass, food and travel. Here at PlanetSKI we understand senior figures from The Club met the ESF in December in France to assess the position and were advised it would be acceptable to continue. |
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It is not up to the ESF to decide but up to the French state. Just as it is not up to the ESF to change the current legislation or set up a new qualification for ski hosts.
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4. The extent to which the Club can actually distance itself from the regular tour operating trade depends on the key point made by the SCGB: " ... unaffected by the court ruling because the members that lead in resort are (unpaid) volunteers." If benefits-in-kind (accommodation, travel, food, liftpass etc.) are not classed as payment, the SCGB point is valid. I'm aware that this point was in the process of being tested in a major law case about ten years ago, in which the SCGB was defending an action brought by an injured skier (not in France). I'm not sure that this "unpaid" point is as cut-and-dried as my Club makes out, but we'll see how things eventually pan out.
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You are correct, it is an "advantage en nature" and counted towards remuneration. Unlike the Le Ski case which seemed pretty cut and dried to me (wrt to French Law) a prosecution of the Ski Club really would be breaking new ground. Esp. given that they are in the resort by invitation of the T.O. and by extension the mayor who has police powers in his community.
Expenses are a point of discussion in French ski clubs where unpaid leaders and instructors are used. The feedback I have had is that volunteers generally don't want to receive any expenses for their activities as it might leave them open to prosecution. A bought drink or lunch on a very informal and irregular basis seems to be ok.
Regarding the court process. Appeal to Chambery, then appeal to the French supreme court, then Europe. However nothing stopped the defense lawyer raising European legislation at Albertville. Le Ski also have to be careful as the penalties could well be raised at Chambery if they lose (that's one 'o' in lose if anyone from Peanutski is reading this.)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| davidof wrote: |
| ....a prosecution of the Ski Club really would be breaking new ground. Esp. given that they are in the resort by invitation of the T.O. and by extension the mayor who has police powers in his community.... |
I think that's the real point. If the Mayor's happy, everybody's happy.
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| ....a prosecution of the Ski Club really would be breaking new ground. Esp. given that they are in the resort by invitation of the T.O. and by extension the mayor who has police powers in his community.... |
I think that's the real point. If the Mayor's happy, everybody's happy. |
I guess if the ESF has said it wouldn't join any prosecution, as planetski says, then there is unlikely to be a prosecution.
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You know it makes sense.
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Anyone know how much time BASI spend teaching their members how to handle groups?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| PJSki wrote: |
Comedy himself said that someone had suggested he smelt of cat's piss so all I'm doing is repeating what he said. |
I've never said that. I don't own a cat, and I rarely go anywhere near cats. Because my work involves close communication with the public (but not cats) I'm expected to smell OK, and have never had a complaint.
It's been suggested that you're a SCGB director and leader (rep). Is that true or untrue?
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Moderators: got any comments on PJ Ski and/or his identity?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| achilles wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
| ....a prosecution of the Ski Club really would be breaking new ground. Esp. given that they are in the resort by invitation of the T.O. and by extension the mayor who has police powers in his community.... |
I think that's the real point. If the Mayor's happy, everybody's happy. |
Up to a point, but the mayor does not have the power to overrule the law, and most are wary of trying. We see it most often in planning applications, where those of the opposite local faction to the mayor (there are always factions, going back to nazi "collaborateurs", or earlier divisions) have to appeal to the departmental Prefecture to get lawful treatment. The ESF would soon get the Ministry of Sport's goon squad to ream-out any mayor deciding hosting was ok by him.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
Comedy himself said that someone had suggested he smelt of cat's piss so all I'm doing is repeating what he said. |
I've never said that. I don't own a cat, and I rarely go anywhere near cats. Because my work involves close communication with the public (but not cats) I'm expected to smell OK, and have never had a complaint.
It's been suggested that you're a SCGB director and leader (rep). Is that true or untrue?
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Sure you did. You once accused admin of saying you smelt of cat's wee wee. You called it his 'latest charm offensive'. Remember now?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| PJSki wrote: |
| You once accused admin of saying you smelt of cat's wee wee. You called it his 'latest charm offensive'. Remember now? |
Admin's never done any such thing, and I've never accused him of it.
Are you Gerry Aitken?
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[As a courtesy, and in view of all the speculation in this community, I've separately emailed Gerry Aitken directly, so that he can publicly confirm/deny the PJ Ski identity]
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
| You once accused admin of saying you smelt of cat's wee wee. You called it his 'latest charm offensive'. Remember now? |
Admin's never done any such thing, and I've never accused him of it.
Are you Gerry Aitken? |
Yes you did, don't tell lies:
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admin, the self-moderation/community-moderation experiment proposed here may be failing. I assume that stoatsbrother contacted the mods yesterday evening, as he mentioned. As proposed above, I'd suggest the following equitable resolution:
1. I'm happy for MO's name to be removed from the Ski Beat thread. The quid pro quo is:
2. I think PJSki's signature link is inappropriate. Clearly, neither I nor anyone else (apart from whoever controls the webpage) can influence the linked page involved - and I've no idea who controls it.
Please don't infer issues about my state of health, "mendacity", that I smell of catpiss [another recent charm offensive of yours] etc. It's a bit immature for someone in your position - after six years of excellent work hereabouts. None of us are perfect, Graham, but we should all remain friends.
If I'm "mendacious", then what on earth are you doing shifting a (presumably) untruthful royal news report of mine to your news page? |
And a link to the thread: http://www.snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=60790
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I suggest everyone reads the thread in question.
I've never accused admin of saying that I smell of "cat's piss" or "catpiss". I've no recollection of him ever having done so, and he's clearly denied what is erroneously published there.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
I suggest everyone reads the thread in question.
I've never accused admin of saying that I smell of "cat's piss" or "catpiss". I've no recollection of him ever having done so, and he's clearly denied what is erroneously published there. |
This bit:
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| Please don't infer issues about my state of health, "mendacity", that I smell of catpiss [another recent charm offensive of yours] etc. It's a bit immature for someone in your position - after six years of excellent work hereabouts. None of us are perfect, Graham, but we should all remain friends. |
Who were you talking to there then? Someone else called admin/Graham? Your problem is you tell so many lies, coming out with so many ridiculous accusations that you have lost track.
Are you now saying that you have never, ever accused admin of saying you smelt of cat wee wee?
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Girls, girls.. you're both pretty.. can we get back on topic now?
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PJSki, is it not a comment suggesting that Admin had been using the term 'catpiss' as an insult or rather a 'charm offensive' rather than saying "oi Admin, you said I smell of catpiss and I don't like it"
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| feef wrote: |
| Girls, girls.. you're both pretty.. can we get back on topic now? |
Good grief! one's a chocolate starfish and the other dribbled out of one
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as there would be handling of food involved especially in the case of "assembly cuisine", a training as chef would be necessary when it comes to food hygiene.
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Rubbish. Any monkey with a basic food hygiene certificate could do that.
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one job my son had in Courchevel was like that. The guests, in their second week, were all people who had not been able to go their booked hotel because the Saudi princelings the week before had decided they wanted to stay on, and refused to move.  But the hotel's chef was providing all their food which got send up in containers like you get from Chinese take aways, with scribbled names on in French. The guests had very little idea what to do with it all, just sat them on the table and opened them in hope. When Nick arrived the hotel chef explained to him what the food was all about, so all Nick had to do was present it all nicely, at the right temperature and in the right order. Said it was the easiest week he'd ever had, and that the hotel chef was so glad that somebody was able to do justice to his food that he tolerated Nick's poor French.
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You know it makes sense.
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Hey guys,
It's simple, SCGB as a club falls under French laws regarding Ski Clubs so they can do as they do - (except perhaps the off-piste bit) - but that's their problem.
The breaking the law thing may come in where it says their brochure that they offer ski guiding for Fresh Tracks clients, from the SCGB reps for payment as included in the trip.
Really, would saying membership comes with the price of the holiday work in any court? I do not wish the club any harm at all but surely Fresh Tracks is a commercial enterprise?
SCGB is a venerable institution who has it's fans, let's not break it but perhaps let us make sure it fits in with the rest of the modern skiing world.
Some of what we take for granted now as British skiers, we owe to members of the SCGB and people like them
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Saint, To a point I agree . . . but the club has squandered and abused that heritage for commercial gain and here in evading a ruling and sticking two fingers to the rest of the TO industry in France.
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That was my point at the bottom of my submission.
Let's not break it - just let it change itself, if court cases are needed (or plain common sense) so be it. It will still be a shame to see something disappear needlessly for want of some brains somewhere.
I have to say, I really don't like the off piste bit: Things have changed I know, but I still have real reservations about the competence of someone with 2 weeks training (with only a couple of days off piste, to take people safely off piste. (Or 3 OR 4 or more!) In my view it needs meaningful training and an exam plus logged experience.
I have to say most SCGB reps are better than most tour operator hosts in my experience. Since I have already admitted this earlier in this extended thread I am a professional ski teacher BUT I hope with no axe to grind!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Are you now saying that you have never, ever accused admin of saying you smelt of cat wee wee? |
Yes, I am saying that I have never, ever accused admin of saying I smelt of cat wee wee, catpiss or cat's piss. Maybe there are more serious issues to address here.
[Edit: I've transferred the rest of this posting to the SCGB forum thread ...
http://www.snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=94856&start=920#2243451
... as it's more relevant there]
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Comedy Goldsmith, I don't have a dog in the race in this ongoing and wildly unamusing feud between you and PJSki but when an accusation is strongly made and equally strongly denied, curiosity drives me to seek out the facts. You did write the following addressed to admin (I read the entire thread to ensure I understood the context – thankfully, it was only a 2-pager):
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admin, the self-moderation/community-moderation experiment proposed here may be failing. I assume that stoatsbrother contacted the mods yesterday evening, as he mentioned. As proposed above, I'd suggest the following equitable resolution:
1. I'm happy for MO's name to be removed from the Ski Beat thread. The quid pro quo is:
2. I think PJSki's signature link is inappropriate. Clearly, neither I nor anyone else (apart from whoever controls the webpage) can influence the linked page involved - and I've no idea who controls it.
Please don't infer issues about my state of health, "mendacity", that I smell of catpiss [another recent charm offensive of yours] etc. It's a bit immature for someone in your position - after six years of excellent work hereabouts. None of us are perfect, Graham, but we should all remain friends.
If I'm "mendacious", then what on earth are you doing shifting a (presumably) untruthful royal news report of mine to your news page? |
And here is the link to your actual post: http://www.snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=60790#1444771 Perhaps you should take your own advice and re-read that thread to see the evidence for yourself.
When admin queried your comment, you referenced one of Lizzard's threads about removing catpiss from an eiderdown: http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=59252&highlight=eiderdown. However, admin had not even posted in that thread. You were unable to provide proof that there had been any kind of catpiss-namecalling on admin's part.
Your denial is inaccurate.
Right, as you were boys, you may return to normal programming.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Zero-G, two things strike me about your post . . . You're anal retentive and bored . . . you need to pull lass, there are far better things to do that than fact-check this sphincter seepage
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Masque, you are partly correct. I'm in bed with man flu and have time to kill.
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If the SCGB is going to be ok under French law, what is to stop the TOs setting up a "not for profit" ski club which costs £5 to join, everyone who hasn't joined when they get to resort just pays up on the spot, and covers the cost of the ski hosts lunch each day they are working? That is a ski club, and the hosts will carry on doing what they do, being members of the same ski club and showing their fellow club members around the mountain and where is good for lunch. The fact that the host is having their accommodation, food, and lift pass provided by a large organisation with huge financial backing while they are working is, well, identical to the SCGB if they do it this way.
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Zero-G, Where's the [like] button? 
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Zero-G, at no point does DG accuse Admin of the catpiss debacle. It is a statement to ask not to do it... not that he has done it.
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| Zero-G, at no point does DG accuse Admin of the catpiss debacle. It is a statement to ask not to do it... not that he has done it. |
no.. that he says " [another recent charm offensive of yours]" suggests that the statement HAD been made.
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