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| noskitrip wrote: |
| ...is well-documented and why there is a fraud crime number against Reynards Skiing Europe..... |
Is there? Do you know that personally? And what is a 'fraud crime number'? When I reported something missing from my property last week I was given an 'incident number', not a 'crime number' - presumably on the basis that a crime cannot be said to have been committed until a court has decided that. I have no problem, with accurate information on this thread, but posters should be make sure what they say is fact is indeed accurate, and not supposition masquerading as fact. |
There is a crime reference number. It is investigating frand. I apologise my grammar is slightly off. There is no crime and no one is guilty, there is a man with £900 of my money swanning around Devon on a private golf course with a sneer and a fat wallet but I agree there is no crime until charged as such.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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noskitrip, and it is not even as if it was you who made the mistake of giving him the money 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rayscoops, they were all conned
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Shimmy Alcott, I am not so sure whether conned is the right word - after all 'let the buyer beware' and all that - and a lot of this seemed to stem from the Interlaken hotels as a 'group' cancelling on-block, or disputing whether the booking was in place.
Do you know how may school ski trips were delivered by SE over half term and easter ?
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rayscoops,  lets not go there again
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Breach of contract if it happened is a civil matter - not a criminal offence. I am aware that fraudulent trading is criminal - but AFIK no charge has been brought, let alone proved in court.
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| ....but I agree there is no crime until charged as such. |
A defendant is innocent unless found guilty in court.
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achilles, no one said a charge had been made it was said that there is a crime reference number. They are not hard to obtain, I've had a few in my lifetime thanks to thieving scumbags and an ex-employee who got drugged up and decided to attack me. Other than the latter event, the crime reference number was merely given to me to pass on to my insurers.
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achilles, The question I guess is when is something a breach of contract and when is it Fraud, with holidays I have no idea, However some of these schools have gone on their trips and had to pay twice, once to SE and once to the coach company and hotel in this case it looks to me as if it might be Fraud, ie SE has obtained money and failed to provide the service they have been paid for, but I'm no lawyer so am not certain.
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Of course there is no crime until it is proven beyond reasonable doubt - but there is an awful lot of prima facie evidence that crimes have been convicted (e.g. fraudulent trading, breach of the Package Holiday regulations and the Use of Business Names Act) as well as Breach of Contract. Those of us who have been victims want these matters looked into - just as would anyone who has had their house burgled and as a results suspects that a crime has been committed. Such niceties are very difficult to explain to upset and disappointed children I'm afraid.
rayscoops, I am not sure why you persist with your accounts of what happened with the Interlaken hotels and the cancellations in February- all I can say is that diverge from what I (and I think D G Orf) have heard in accounts with those who had to deal with the problem first hand and would normally be considered relaibale witnesses. Are your suppositions based on first hand accounts as well? Or are they just your interpretation of second hand information. If the latter could you please label them as such in the future.
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| ...... Such niceties are very difficult to explain to upset and disappointed children I'm afraid.... |
Be not afraid. I think you'll find that most thread participants here are adults.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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noskitrip wrote:
there is a man with £900 of my money swanning around Devon on a private golf course with a sneer and a fat wallet
I don't understand how he is still in one piece, let alone fit enough to play golf . If something happened to him, the police would start with people who had something against him. Counting the children, parents, school staff, unpaid hoteliers, drivers, instructors etc, probably about a thousand or so suspects ........
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One parent I know did suggest that we should arrange a coach trip for all the children who had lost their holidays to a certain address in Devon - but perhaps that is the ultimate nuclear threat! I'm not sure that they'd all fit in the swimming pool........... 
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Lets look again at the breaking news - the www.skiing-europe.com website is down. All day so far. I'd say that shows something is happening. Normal updates to websites do not take them down. I called the office number and ... rings to answer phone saying messages cannot be taken at the moment.
If I am allowed to speculate - perhaps SE has been stopped from trading? Will have to wait and see.
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You know it makes sense.
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snowjoe,
Perhaps the hosting company have pulled the plug? Is there a techie who can tell whether this is the case?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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snowjoe, Error 403 suggests to me that there is nothing on the server - not even an index (home) page. Usually if the web host has pulled a site, they will put something up in its place. So it looks as though the site has been pulled by someone else. One possibility might be an insolvency company - but another is that Skiing Europe are preparing to load a fresh site.
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Poster: A snowHead
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achilles,
The top page www.skiing-europe.com is still there - the Error 403 is on the pages below. I'm not sure whether that means anything?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Stephen101, do you not find it strange that most of the cancelled trips related to this one resort rather than a spread of hotels across different resorts and countries ? statistically this is improbable and suggest some form of collusion. Maybe this is what CR means when he has referred to industrial sabotage
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achilles, down for me too, maybe it has been hacked
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Well, I am not that techie but know that the following site tells you a bit:
http://whois.domaintools.com/skiing-europe.com
I think the ISP is: BRANDON GRAY INTERNET SERVICES, INC.
The domain name is already disappearing from nameservers globally - I think the IP address was: 64.33.12.169.
Type that address into www.networktools.com and you'll get all the info associated with SE hosting in USA.
I can't be sure (as I am not familiar enough with the information displayed), but I'd say it is the SE site only, not the ISP, because if you look at the IP addresses around SE's they are working.
I don't think CRs other businesses have websites or know if there are any if they are affected.
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This site is defo down.
Has he got a bolt hole in USA or is that address of the privacy advocate? This is the whois data:
Domain name: skiing-europe.com
Registrant Contact:
Chris Reynard
Private Registration
2316 Delaware Ave Suite #266
Ball Lane
Buffalo
NY, 14216-2687 US
866-434-0212
866-434-0211
526e78e841580b77@private-contact.com
Administrative Contact:
Chris Reynard
Private Registration
2316 Delaware Ave Suite #266
Ball Lane
Buffalo
NY, 14216-2687 US
866-434-0212
866-434-0211
doryxm4qxoq1yscf@private-contact.com
Technical Contact:
Chris Reynard
Private Registration
2316 Delaware Ave Suite #266
Ball Lane
Buffalo
NY, 14216-2687 US
866-434-0212
866-434-0211
kfpoedbavrs0smw4@private-contact.com
Update date: 2009-11-19
Expiration date: 2012-01-22
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Bode Swiller, I strongly suspect that is just a privacy proxy. Type that address into Google and a whole bunch of stuff comes up.
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achilles, yep, looks like it.
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Many domain registration services provide the option of registering with a private forwarding address, IMO a good idea for individuals who want to set up their own email account and small website, but a mark of a shyster businessman.
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Stephen101, I get the impression (and I could be wrong here) That the earliest reports were that SE couldn't get into any Italian resorts this year due to their still owing substantial sums from last year, I'm not sure what happened with the Interlaken hotels, if I understand things correctly SE originally said that they had booked the hotels at half term but the hotel concerned seems to have said that no such booking was ever made. Elsewhere RandomCoachDriver tells us that the trip that he drove on which was supposed to go to St Johann ended up in the considerably smaller area at Imst in a more basic hotel apparently only booked the night before. Even then the cheque for the ski hire bounced which meant that SE's rep was questioned by the local police and might well have been arrested if one of the teachers hadn't paid the bill, to add insult to injury she's then told that she won't even get her wages paid by SE.
Now if this had happened to myself I'd be pretty angry, personally I'd check on the status of SE when it was trading, if it was actually Chris Reynard trading as SE I'd get a lawyer in to insure that he couldn't sell his assets and vanish, of course I'm not a small chap, so maybe if I were owed hundreds, perhaps thousands of pounds I might go pay the man a personal visit, but then my attitude to being ripped off is far nastier than the one I reserve for being insulted. 
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FreeRider
Posts: 11340Stephen101, do you not find it strange that most of the cancelled trips related to this one resort rather than a spread of hotels across different resorts and countries ? statistically this is improbable and suggest some form of collusion. Maybe this is what CR means when he has referred to industrial sabotage
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No because Reynard probably decided not to pay his biggest bill, those in Austrian resorts also had problems with the hotel bills being paid, some schools were transferred from Italian resorts (presumably because of similar problems) and the UK coach companies also had problems in getting paid. As for those at Easter and Reynard's past record of trading while insolvent! Statistically a hotel somewhere had to be first - and the most likely was the one where it was intended to send the most people I would have thought. It may also be that the Swiss take a tougher line on those not paying bills than those in other countries - which certainly ties in with my commercial experience in other areas. Lets stick to facts rather than Reynard inspired conspiracy theories.
D G Orf, your account re Interlaken ties with what I was told - the hotel concerned had never made the booking as the deposit due was never received - and the rooms had been given to others a long time previously. In addition, other hotels in Interlaken (and the Tourist office) were contracted by the school to see if they had any bookings in the very short time available to see if they had a booking - none could be found and Reynard ignored requests to confirm where he had booked his supposed alternative accomodation.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rayscoops,
Oh I also forgot the myriad accounts of instructors not having been paid by Reynard. Perhaps it would be better to ask which bills did he actually pay!
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Stephen101,
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Oh I also forgot the myriad accounts of instructors not having been paid by Reynard. Perhaps it would be better to ask which bills did he actually pay!
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A very good question indeed
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You know it makes sense.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Has he got a bolt hole in USA |
Nope - I have just seen him in my local chippy
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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....but he's a liar and I'm not sure about you
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Poster: A snowHead
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I think the poo-poo has finally hit the fan... Friday the thirteenth...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Stephen101 wrote: |
rayscoops,
Oh I also forgot the myriad accounts of instructors not having been paid by Reynard. Perhaps it would be better to ask which bills did he actually pay! |
I am sure he has been dodging his liability, but, do you not find it stange that the only (it seems) trips that were cancelled were to one resort ?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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fatbob,
I can hear you laughing now
And I can't help feeling that somehow
You don't mean anything you say at all
Kirsty must have known him - the kids on Facebook will not understand
rayscoops,
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but, do you not find it stange that the only (it seems) trips that were cancelled were to one resort ?
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No somewhere had to be first - and he has subsequently cancelled trips elsewhere e.g. Mountgrace and others at Easter
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That address is a UPS mail box.
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Stephen101, the original problem with hotels related in the main to one resort, subsequent cancellations by schools themselves may well have been in other resorts, btw 'he' never cancelled any trips, the schools cancelled.
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btw 'he' never cancelled any trips, the schools cancelled.
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Which unfortunately as previously stated is where he may very well have a get out!
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Keeping on repeating speculation isn't going to make it fact. 
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btw 'he' never cancelled any trips
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I dont think that is true. The schools paid for a specific holiday, in many cases Skiing Europe did not honour those original bookings as he was changing transport and hotels, resorts and even Countries. Thus the school could either go with the new holiday or should get a full refund. There has been no refunds. Also I know of one school that he turned up to and said there was no holiday and he had no money to fund one.
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. If something happened to him, the police would start with people who had something against him. Counting the children, parents, school staff, unpaid hoteliers, drivers, instructors etc, probably about a thousand or so suspects ........ 
