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Avoriaz/Chatel/Les Gets/Morzine 2013/2014

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It's about 13C in Chatel at 1200m at the moment !!!
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Promising update from Meteo France this afternoon - 45cm at 1800m for the Chablais area.
http://www.meteofrance.com/previsions-meteo-montagne/bulletin-avalanches/chablais/OPP01
Report of snow falling at 1000m in the Jura.
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Chatel Snow, not what Meteo France on the ground in Chamonix are suggesting...
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8 degrees in Les Gets today. High cloud cover and some great runs in the morning but getting very sticky by lunchtime. Wax your skis!
Lots of brown earth showing through under the lifts but as always the piste badgers have done a great job maintaining the runs.
Huge increase in activity this afternoon as midterm kicks in with a vengeance! Sad to be going home but glad we got a great week in!!!
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Chatel Snow, not what Meteo France on the ground in Chamonix are suggesting...


The avalanche bulletin is hand produced by Meteo France - its just about their latest output today!

... and their automated output for Chamonix was suggesting similar this morning

http://www.chamonix.com/meteo,11,fr.html

Do you mean Cham meteo .com - as they are not Meteo France ?
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ps to the above - the Euro4 model is suggesting more precip for this area and less for the Cham area by the looks of it - which might explain the difference - and also the avalanche bulletin is a different one to the Cham area.

edit - here is the one for Chamonix - produced this afternoon....

http://www.meteofrance.com/previsions-meteo-montagne/bulletin-avalanches/mont-blanc/OPP03
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Chatel Snow, i do hope you are right as i plan an early start to enjoy.

Chamonix Meteo is operated/funded by meteo france, hence all the kerfuffle a few years ago when they threatened to pull the funding.
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Chatel Snow, i do hope you are right as i plan an early start to enjoy.

Chamonix Meteo is operated/funded by meteo france, hence all the kerfuffle a few years ago when they threatened to pull the funding.


Its a completely different forecast to Meteo France - if you compare the daily Meteo France fax bulletin with the Cham Meteo one - they are completely different forecasts.
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under a new name,

There you go

http://pistehors.com/news/ski/comments/0951-meteo-france-warns-against-dangerous-amateur-weather-websites/

"...makes it clear that the website http://www.chamonix-meteo.com, which is regularly consulted by climbers and is even posted in tourist offices, has nothing to do with Meteo France...."

Personally I rate the Cham Meteo forecasts - but they have nothing to do with Meteo France
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Chatel Snow, well!

My apologies.

I stand well and truly corrected.

I guess (?) I must have jumped to conclusions during the argy bargy some years back over MF threatening to close their agence in Cham and I am quite sure - although I / it was clearly wrong - that there was an implication that the Chamonix Meteo site was theirs (why it wouldn't bear corporate branding is something I have never thought to question, this being France and all, it's amazing that there's a website at all).

Every day is a school day.

Anyone else who's seen me spouting nonsense on the ownership or funding of the Cham Meteo site, apologies to you too. I'll only be doing this once.

So, who does does fund and run Chamonix Meteo? As it's been the go to source for local forecasts since I've been hanging out round here? (1988...) Edit: Now I'm not even sure of that. A quick search reveals it to be "EMB Weather Services" incorporated in a youthful 1994 http://www.societe.com/societe/e-m-b-weather-services-393901699.html

It certainly gains credibility from being the source recommended by the TO and PGHM...
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under a new name, Crikey - no need to apologise!!!

I'm not sure of the origins of the site or who runs it, but its one I have always used it and found to be generally very very good. The comments below the Piste Hors article sum up why it is important - in that the Meteo France mountain bulletin is a subscription one, hence the importance of free sites such as Cham Meteo - especially for the climbing fraternity.

The other one, which presumably you use also is http://www.meteo-chamonix.org/drupal/p-r-e-v-i-s-i-o-n-s/alpes-du-nord - and these guys put their names on the forecasts.

The tourist office in Chatel uses and posts the cham meteo .com forecast - rather than paying for the Meteo France one - but then, the Meteo France fax bulletin is posted on most days at the top Super-Chatel telecabine station and other lifts post the GFS based Meteo Blue forecasts - which is all very bizzare as the 3 forecasts could be (and often are) v different on a particular day.
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Chatel Snow, Happy politeness is never wasted and I hate being publicly wrong and misleading so always feels better if I 'fess up when I am:-)

How very weird. It is always very good - usually better than the rest - although I do also like the met-cham one too as you say. For robot forecasts I like Metblue too.

I suspect (my memories of that period are even worse that recent ones) that when I was repping in Morzine that it was Met France faxes that we used to look at it the TO... although too many 1664s disappeared down the gullet in the Cafe Chaud for me to be a reliable witness.

Still looking forward to that 40cms of fresh, although if it's arriving from the west, you'll get it and we may not ... snowHead
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Chatel Snow, Happy politeness is never wasted and I hate being wrong so always feels better if I 'fess up when I am:-)

How very weird. It is always very good - usually better than the rest - although I do also like the met-cham one too as you say. For robot forecasts I like Metblue too.

I suspect (my memories of that period are even worse that recent ones) that when I was repping in Morzine that it was Met France faxes that we used to look at it the TO... although too many 1664s disappeared down the gullet in the Cafe Chaud for me to be a reliable witness.

Still looking forward to that 40cms of fresh, although if it's arriving from the west, you'll get it and we may not ... snowHead


Fingers crossed - lets compare notes later tomorrow!

As it is still 7C here and I can hear meltwater still pouring off our roof, it seems weird that we might get a decent snowfall tonight and an early morning powder session.

Cham Meteo will update shortly - as its a weekend - so will be interesting to see what their latest thoughts are.
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Chatel Snow, indeed. our sensor isn't working so no idea on outside temps but it was a balmy 13C at lunchtime. yep, Doigts croisse...
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25cm to 45cm from tonight into Sunday night / Mon - according to latest Cham Meteo - so a fairly prolonged snowfall by the looks of it.

http://chamonix-meteo.com/chamonix-mont-blanc/weather/forecast/evening/6_days_weather_forecast.php
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Was very warm when we left Ardent this evening. Walking anywhere near a chalet was like asking to be buried in snowfall from the roof. We're off home now, but fingers crossed the forecast is right for those coming out over half term.
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The view in Avoriaz now...

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DJL,

Snowing quite heavily in Chatel at the moment and settling on all surfaces.
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Medium rain in Morzine, so lore runs will be rubbish - but hopefully some fresh up higher!

It always seems to rain in Morzine! Usually means great skiing if you drive up to Ardent and go from there...
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Hmmm.... Rain in Morzine (950m), quite heavy snow settling in Chatel (1200m), Pas de Morgins (1450m) likely to be accumulating a bit.

Depending on which hire car/tyres he gets I think the valley route might be the smart move at 2.00 am Sunday for my brother.
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DJL, Heading to bed now - but 2cm on van roof - all surfaces covered - including road in and snowing moderately to heavily. If it continues at same rate - then Morgins pass might be an issue later - if ...
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Chatel Snow, thanks - I'll pass it on and let him make his own decision
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DJL,

Radar might be useful - appears to show it is "set in" for the time being.

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/radar/france.html
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It's snowing lightly now, which is an improvement.
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Snow still coming down here moderately. Latest Euro4 model update maintains the theme of a substantial snow event over next 24 hours or so.
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Lovely. Gently drizzling in Chamonix... We'd describe it as a smirr in Glasgow
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Bedtime in Morzine & now snowing steadily...
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Not been following closely but DJL hope your brother got in ok as I suspect it was bad, our friends arrived at 11pm and couldn't make the last bit up the drive without chaining. Snowing hard since around 9pm or so and all night, I guess we are at around 1100m. Must be a good 20 cm here. Still coming down now it's all very white indeed.
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Max depth of fresh snow just recorded so far on van roof of 29cm here in Chatel at 1200m.
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Looks like a powder fest morning - still snowing moderately - heading up for first lifts.

Euro weather models and forecasts have thrashed the American GFS forecasts yet again on this snowfall!
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Agree with Chatel Snow more like 30 cm down here, will be great up there. If we get out that is!! Friends still faffing about with chains at the moment, one party not got winter tyres on Sad thankfully no lessons to get to today Laughing Bon ski a tous snowHead
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Awesome morning of powder - 35cm to 40cm higher up and just shy of 30cm in the resort first thing. The area we were in was deserted - again!
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Chatel Snow, i suspect you got more than us. Probably 20cms first thing up Brevent. Still snowing though... snowHead
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Chatel Snow, i suspect you got more than us. Probably 20cms first thing up Brevent. Still snowing though... snowHead


Looks like you have more to come as we are now just to the north of the main area of snow.
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Chatel Snow, was snowing consistently until we left at 15h00. Tomorrow should be epic. I am at my desk...what is the point of living near the alps when you have to work on a bluebird day I ask?
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All I can say is WOW!

cracking day. Marginal viz at times, but awesome snow. First face-shots of the season. Was knee deep at times, and it's still coming down.
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Morzine had the snow overnight and still had big flakes at the ranfolly bowl this morning. The lower Morzine slopes went slushy quite quickly and we downloaded on the gondola. Small flakes are still falling at the town, but it isn't settling worth a damn.
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sarah, Haven't heard from my brother as I've been out orienteering since 07.00 and just back. Either crashed and lost in a gulley or made it over and enjoying the snow. He managed to get a hire car with winter tyres so I'm guessing the latter.

Looking very snowy on the webcams
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What a great day, despite challenging viz at times. Face shots all day, easy to get away from the crowds and snow very good. Hope everyone enjoyed it. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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