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the only way you'll lose weight is by eating less
exercise will not lose you weight, calculate how much exercise you need to do, to lose a pound...it's a lot! You exercise for other reasons, strength, endurance etc, but to lose weight is a myth. I did LeJoG and put weight on!
if you want a quick fix then do the GM (general motors) diet, it was created for their work force, you'll lose a stone in a week....not sure it is the healthiest advice, but it does work (I've done it, not particularly overweight but a stone did fall off). The trick then is to eat healthy to stay at that weight.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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didnt realise there was more than one page 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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don't forget when exercising, to drink lots of water
....after all a pint of water, weighs a pound 
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I would say it helps loads, I've lost 1 1/2 stone since moving to Serre Chevalier, mostly from the additional exercise (long dog walks, hiking, mountain biking) and also from watching what I eat.....
Been up 4 or 5 times now on the teles and not got half as tired as I used to 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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exercise will not lose you weight, calculate how much exercise you need to do, to lose a pound...it's a lot! You exercise for other reasons, strength, endurance etc, but to lose weight is a myth. I did LeJoG and put weight on!
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That's a bit silly! It's calories out and calories in isn't it? My commute to and from work is about 900 calories. If I stopped that I would have to eat less to keep my weight stable. If you don't do much exercise and you start running three times a week you could easily burn 1500 calories per week extra. A pound of body fat is 3500 calories. Keep that up WITHOUT EATING MORE and you will lose >20 lbs in a year.
Don't get me wrong - I know you can increase exercise and not reduce weight if you compensate by eating more (and also build a bit of muscle) but that is not the same thing as saying you can't lose weight by exercising more. I definitely think anyone trying to lose weight should increase exercise AND eat less - it works quicker.
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Agreed. Also, regular exercise can help regulate appetite. People who slob on sofas for hours each day are not notably thinner than those who exercise regularly. exercise also has many other benefits.
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I think we're all pretty much on board with the way to go when it comes to weight loss . . . . . It's not rocket science - it's like putting fuel in the car. You only ought to put in as much as you're going to use.
Unfortunately when it comes to the human appetite, there's no automatic cut off of the fuel source when the tank is full. I have no trouble in maintaining a stable weight with a couple of basic rules:- it's only fuel, you don't have to like everything you eat and you don't have to eat a lot of everything you like. For example, I love crisps, but as they're empty calories, rather than deny myself, I stick to treating myself to a pack on a Friday night.
I refuse to 'go on a diet' ever again, I don't respond well to restrictive regimes, so my aim is to look closely at my fuel intake and make the kind of adjustments that I'll be happy to live with long term. Perhaps There have been times when I've been filling up on 'high octane' fuel and my engine will still run efficiently on a tank or two of the sans plomb 95 as it were . . .
So unless @homers double, and I can take @Gordyjh,s advice re the heels, the old weight/height ratio is unlikely to improve dramatically this year - but if I get bitten by the skiing bug, who knows what a lithe and lissom figure I'll be cutting on the slopes next season!
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Diet Coke = not good for you, so stop drinking it (and alcohol) to help get the weight off.
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The real change will happen when i return: off the drink and get the initial weight down to 190 before making the necessary change to moderation and sorting this out once and for all.
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Good luck to you too. My weight has fluctuated over the years and I've never been skinny. When I've been losing weight (as I have been recently Xmas apart ) I have moderately increased my exercise (from a decent amount to quite a lot) and got more disciplined about eating - mainly just cutting out eating between meals, avoiding extra helpings and a bit less booze. If I do this then weight just trickles off.
One thing I find helps is to remember this:
a chocolate digestive biscuit is 86 calories. One a day is 31000 calories a year. At 3500 calories per pound of body fat that is 9lbs per year. My point is just that small but sustained changes to the way you live bring big changes. You don't need to do anything very extreme.
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One thing I find helps is to remember this:
a chocolate digestive biscuit is 86 calories. One a day is 31000 calories a year. At 3500 calories per pound of body fat that is 9lbs per year. My point is just that small but sustained changes to the way you live bring big changes. You don't need to do anything very extreme.
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Brilliant!
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exercise will not lose you weight, calculate how much exercise you need to do, to lose a pound...it's a lot! You exercise for other reasons, strength, endurance etc, but to lose weight is a myth. I did LeJoG and put weight on!
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That's a bit silly! It's calories out and calories in isn't it? My commute to and from work is about 900 calories. If I stopped that I would have to eat less to keep my weight stable. If you don't do much exercise and you start running three times a week you could easily burn 1500 calories per week extra. A pound of body fat is 3500 calories. Keep that up WITHOUT EATING MORE and you will lose >20 lbs in a year.
Don't get me wrong - I know you can increase exercise and not reduce weight if you compensate by eating more (and also build a bit of muscle) but that is not the same thing as saying you can't lose weight by exercising more. I definitely think anyone trying to lose weight should increase exercise AND eat less - it works quicker. |
The dude is right.
Diet is for fatness.
Exercise is for fitness.
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| Don't get me wrong - I know you can increase exercise and not reduce weight if you compensate by eating more (and also build a bit of muscle) but that is not the same thing as saying you can't lose weight by exercising more. I definitely think anyone trying to lose weight should increase exercise AND eat less - it works quicker. |
I've found that moderating my diet has been more effective than exercising more, but it's not something I'm happily able to do long term (especially when the sandwich shop near work is cheap and everything comes with melted cheese).
A couple of years ago the place I was working did a new year Fat Club. Everyone weighed themselves on the first week back and then again at the end of March. I was one of the few that actually did it properly by altering my diet to reasonably good effect and started exercising more, losing just under a stone over the 3 months. I kept eating reasonably well but did slip a bit and soon put a bit of weight back on, at which point my boss challenged me to do a 3km open water swim. In training for it I was swimming a mile about 3 times a week on average, which many would think would be good exercise and help me lose a few pounds. What it actually did was make me starving hungry and I'd often stop on the way home to buy copious amounts of cheese and carbs which meant my weight pretty much stayed the same. The real issue came after I completed the swim, stopped exercising but kept eating the same amount
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You know it makes sense.
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| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
| What it actually did was make me starving hungry and I'd often stop on the way home to buy copious amounts of cheese and carbs which meant my weight pretty much stayed the same. |
I've done a 100km road ride fueled by porridge and a few cereal bars along the way and got home to promptly demolish poached eggs on toast and a full quiche* so I know what you mean. There are recovery drinks which may help with this but I've never investigated or used them.
*real mean don't eat quiche.
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Poster: A snowHead
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In training for it I was swimming a mile about 3 times a week on average, which many would think would be good exercise and help me lose a few pounds. What it actually did was make me starving hungry and I'd often stop on the way home to buy copious amounts of cheese and carbs which meant my weight pretty much stayed the same. The real issue came after I completed the swim, stopped exercising but kept eating the same amount
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Yep. Swimming is notorious for making you hungry - not sure what the explanation is.
When I worked a ski season many moons ago I was at my trimmest despite eating and drinking loads (pro chef in the chalet I worked in who liked cooking really rich food). I generally don't think downhill skiing is very intense exercise but if you hammer bumps and off piste 6 days a week it and can't afford lunches on the mountain it turns out it can be! Problem arose when I came home and started a "proper job" and was too busy exploring London to do any exercise - carried on eating and ballooned.
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The dude is right.
Diet is for fatness.
Exercise is for fitness.
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Nah - it is simply calories out / calories in - balance it how you like.
Think about my choc biscuit example. Could achieve exactly the same with an extra 10 minute run every day.
Explain why that isn't true.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Nah - it is simply calories out / calories in - balance it how you like.
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Read good calories/bad calories and you will see it isn't that simple
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Nah - it is simply calories out / calories in - balance it how you like.
Think about my choc biscuit example. Could achieve exactly the same with an extra 10 minute run every day.
Explain why that isn't true.
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I cant argue with the basic science its human nature that is the problem!
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I cant argue with the basic science its human nature that is the problem!
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yes - there I agree. either way you need self-discipline
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We can go off folks you know...
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@homers double, 
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This is a bit like timdogs thread in apres...
Yesterday I had a good day. No alcohol, under my calorie goal, 31km night ride, healthy dinner.
Today, not as light as a feather but lighter than a post chrismas tubber 
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exercise won't lose you weight...calculate how much exercise you need to do to lose a pound, I did LeJoG and put on weight!
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I've just read through a couple of pages and this was I was thinking.
Diet is always the key.
I tend to have more time on my hands for preparing meals etc than many, but my general rule of thumb is that if it gets advertised I don't eat it, if its processed, I don't eat it and I only try to eat things that are grown and sold in there natural form. I also try to only eat meat once or twice a week.
its easier said than done sometimes, but grabbing a load of cherry tomatoes to snack on is a lot healthier than grabbing a granola bar.
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And grabbing a granola bar is a lot healthier than grabbing a coke and a packet of crisps.
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You know it makes sense.
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| And grabbing a granola bar is a lot healthier than grabbing a coke and a packet of crisps. |
i'd bet it isn't! diet coke contain no sugar or calories plus a 150 calories from a bag of crisps is better than a 250 calories fruit and nut bar made up of about 40% sugar.
personally, I wouldn't eat any of them
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Apropos the granola bar thing, my wife's boss has a weird relationship with food and is always trying out ways of reducing his weight. He's an intelligent man, but she can't convince him that a "home made" flapjack from the sandwich bar that's the size of two Mars bars is likely to have a calorific content that's similar, if not higher.
As an aside, I'm still not on the diet wagon and this weekend I'll be making a stollen bread pudding to use up the leftovers. Would hate to see all those calories going in the bin.
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Poster: A snowHead
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i'd bet it isn't! diet coke contain no sugar or calories plus a 150 calories from a bag of crisps is better than a 250 calories fruit and nut bar made up of about 40% sugar.
personally, I wouldn't eat any of them
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But that depends on your definition of healthy- and I think that is half the problem a diet coke and a packet of cripss would certainly be lower in calories than the granola but the nuts and ots would like have a higher nutritional values. Unfortunately people often equate low calorie = healthy when in fact its often full of junk!
As you quite rightly said though its nearly always better nutrionally to have food that is fresh and made by yourself that any shop bought equivalent
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@Giffordpikes,
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its nearly always better nutrionally to have food that is fresh and made by yourself that any shop bought equivalent
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True, but in fairness, there are a few good ready-made things which are free from e-numbers and so on. I sometimes buy Waitrose spinach dal as a light supper for instance, and it is both delicious and additive-free. Similarly, I have an addiction to Skinnylicious pumpkin soup, and that too seems healthy enough. One just has to read the labels carefully.
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True, but in fairness, there are a few good ready-made things which are free from e-numbers and so on
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Yes I agree there are a few exceptions. I quite like the innocent veg pots too, but as you say you do have to always read the lables carefully and very often with quick convenience foods most people dont have the time.
I used to regularly pop in to my local supermarket and quickly grab a sandwich from the low cal range thinking I was being good. Actually if you read the labels the calories on some of the low fat range are higher than some of the non low cal versions - but here I am talking about just calories and not nutritional values as well. Think the pumpkin soup or the veg pot are both better choices than a sandwich.
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i'm not sure i'd put 5 teaspoons of sugar into a pot of soup and tell myself that it was going to make me skinny 
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True, but in fairness, there are a few good ready-made things which are free from e-numbers and so on
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Yes I agree there are a few exceptions. I quite like the innocent veg pots too, but as you say you do have to always read the lables carefully and very often with quick convenience foods most people dont have the time.
I used to regularly pop in to my local supermarket and quickly grab a sandwich from the low cal range thinking I was being good. Actually if you read the labels the calories on some of the low fat range are higher than some of the non low cal versions - but here I am talking about just calories and not nutritional values as well. Think the pumpkin soup or the veg pot are both better choices than a sandwich. |
I get completely confused as to how they manage to get so much fat into ready made sandwiches!?!
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I get completely confused as to how they manage to get so much fat into ready made sandwiches!?!
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I saw a program on this once - I think they coated the tomatoes in the BLT in lard so the bread didnt go soggy
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I've been a fatty all my adult life and I've been on numerous diets and all they really did was ruin my metabolism and make me grumpy. When you fall off the diet wagon you end up storing the fat and putting more weight back on.
For a diet to be really effective it has to be a permanent change and above all something you can sustain forever.
I'm currently using the 'my fitness pal' app to keep control of the calories I eat.
I'm also doing some running using the 'couch to 5k' app and so far without really trying too hard I've lost 8lb in 3 weeks.
Ouch!
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Well done Ouch! I'm not doing very well ATM and I doubt 10 days on the land of burgers and fries next week is going to help. I'll have to try my hardest on the steeps to burn off the lunch.
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Maybe alternate downhill skiing - which doesn't burn off many calories if you're good at it - with some walking uphill.
Most decent resorts have a good range of marked tracks for walking and snowshoeing.
On many ski holidays it's the booze rather than the burgers which creates the problem.
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