It was 33% skier mis-decision, 33% camera mis-design, and 33% resort mis-protection.
and 1% what?
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and 33% resort mis-protection.
Can you imagine the resorts fencing off or padding every rock and tree? X% bad judgement Y% horrible luck, his and his family's predicament sends shivers down my spine.
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@tangowaggon, They should write "rock" on each rock, "pylon" on each pylon, "tree" on each tree - that would really help us understand which hard object we were slamming into. Resorts are always being blamed for pilot error and that's one reason why lift passes cost what they do.
It was 33% skier mis-decision, 33% camera mis-design, and 33% resort mis-protection.
and 1% what?
Act of God.
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It was 33% skier mis-decision, 33% camera mis-design, and 33% resort mis-protection.
I'd say 40% skier error, 60% bad luck. Of course, without the skier error the bad luck wouldn't have mattered.
I see no reason to blame the camera or the resort whatsoever. It was clearly off-piste. In Europe if you ski off-piste rocks are not the resort's responsibility. At all. If we were to start making them the resorts responsibility we'd have to ban a lot of off piste. No thanks.
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Pruman wrote:
It's 100% pilot error.
Yep, just like Shoreham.
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I'd challenge anyone who has progressed off the bunny slope to say they've never hit anything they didn't know was there whether it be an ice chunk, a step up/down where the the groomers didn't quite do a smooth enough job, rock, stump, void, depression.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, absolutely, I'm sure most of us have had mishaps of that nature but I'd be mad at myself if it was something I should have thought about first. Not blame the resort, my hat, my long johns etc.
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@Dave of the Marmottes,
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This is perhaps the world's most pointless and slightly distasteful pissing match.
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I'd challenge anyone who has progressed off the bunny slope to say they've never hit anything they didn't know was there
Absolutely. But, in this case, I thought the obstacles were actually visible. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't followed all the detail, but I do remember seeing pictures of the accident site immediately after the accident and wondering why he took a route that looked so uninviting, when there were snowier options immediately adjacent.
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Perhaps he wasn't quite paying attention? Perhaps he wasn't really sure which of those two pistes to take? Maybe he didn't "choose" that route, just kind of ended up there having lost his balance a bit?
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This is perhaps the world's most pointless and slightly distasteful pissing match.
Yep.
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@pam w, as I understood it he was trying to cross from one piste to the other because his son was on the other side of the fork. That may be wrong, but it's what I heard as the reason why the skied into that area.
Under those circumstances I probably would have done exactly the same thing, and possibly would have ended up having the same accident. Shit does happen. Like others above I find this particular pissing match to be pointless and distasteful.
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pam w wrote:
Perhaps he wasn't quite paying attention? Perhaps he wasn't really sure which of those two pistes to take? Maybe he didn't "choose" that route, just kind of ended up there having lost his balance a bit?
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This is perhaps the world's most pointless and slightly distasteful pissing match.
This is perhaps the world's most pointless and slightly distasteful pissing match.
I'd challenge anyone who has progressed off the bunny slope to say they've never hit anything they didn't know was there whether it be an ice chunk, a step up/down where the the groomers didn't quite do a smooth enough job, rock, stump, void, depression.
Too many here acting all wise after the event.
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@pam w, as I understood it he was trying to cross from one piste to the other because his son was on the other side of the fork. That may be wrong, but it's what I heard as the reason why the skied into that area.
Under those circumstances I probably would have done exactly the same thing, and possibly would have ended up having the same accident. Shit does happen. Like others above I find this particular pissing match to be pointless and distasteful.
Everyone finds it "pointless and distasteful" yet pisses in their own opinions .
If my son was in the rocks and lying there injured of course I would go in there to see him. However, Mr S appears to have done it at speed rather than pull up level on the piste and just walk/traverse in. Pilot error.
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Pruman wrote:
Steilhang wrote:
@pam w, as I understood it he was trying to cross from one piste to the other because his son was on the other side of the fork. That may be wrong, but it's what I heard as the reason why the skied into that area.
Under those circumstances I probably would have done exactly the same thing, and possibly would have ended up having the same accident. Shit does happen. Like others above I find this particular pissing match to be pointless and distasteful.
Everyone finds it "pointless and distasteful" yet pisses in their own opinions .
Yeah, odd isn't it. There's always a bunch of pathetic whiners who fall over themselves whilst trying to be the most offended.
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Yeah, odd isn't it. There's always a bunch of pathetic tossers who fallout with everyone whilst trying to be the most offensive.
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Pruman,
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If my son was in the rocks and lying there injured of course I would go in there to see him. However, Mr S appears to have done it at speed rather than pull up level on the piste and just walk/traverse in. Pilot error.
Without wanting to go digging around the internet again I think the French accident investigators came to the conclusion that he was not skiing excessively fast. I also seem to remember them exonerating GoPro of any fault (but my memory may be failing me there). Like I mentioned above, shit happens. On that day it was Schumachers turn. Not much more to be said really.
@Steilhang, maybe not sking "excessively fast" but fast enough to achieve this:
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@Pruman, an the total distance travelled was?
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Gerry wrote:
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Yeah, odd isn't it. There's always a bunch of pathetic tossers who fallout with everyone whilst trying to be the most offensive.
Yeah, odd isn't it. There's always a bunch of brown nosers who flock to the side with the most people on.
I guess you are often the minority, ever wondered why? Probably not.
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@Pruman, an the total distance travelled was?
Yeah odd isn't it, there's always someone who wants actual facts.
I don't know but assume the person on the left is 5' 9"
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Pruman wrote:
Gerry wrote:
@Pruman, an the total distance travelled was?
Yeah odd isn't it, there's always someone who wants actual facts.
I don't know but assume the person on the left is 5' 9"
Won't help at all knowing that because we have no idea what kind of lens was used.
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@Gerry, I didn't say it would help I just observed that orange person might be 5' 9". However, if you can identify the same rocks from this longer shot you might get an approximation, if it helps you:
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@Gerry, I didn't say it would help I just observed that orange person might be 5' 9". However, if you can identify the same rocks from this longer shot you might get an approximation, if it helps you:
Not looking for help. You're the one making assertions of high speed based on what looks like a graphic overlay put there by some media source.
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@Gerry, I didn't say high speed I said "fast enough".
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
@Pruman @Gerry It's also difficult to tell what is meant by "Hits" and "Strikes" in the above picture, especially as the words were written by someone who most likely did not see the incident. It could be that he jumped off/hit the first rock but stayed on his skis for a while whilst out of control, in which case a lot of speed isn't needed to go that far. Alternatively, if the first rock knocked him over the speed needed to travel that distance is higher.
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@Pruman @Gerry It's also difficult to tell what is meant by "Hits" and "Strikes" in the above picture, especially as the words were written by someone who most likely did not see the incident. It could be that he jumped off/hit the first rock but stayed on his skis for a while whilst out of control, in which case a lot of speed isn't needed to go that far. Alternatively, if the first rock knocked him over the speed needed to travel that distance is higher.
+1 Just looks like some sort of BS media interpretation of what actually happened and we know the media never ever exaggerate stuff like this do they? We basically have no idea how fast he was going from that picture.
He took a risk and unfortunately paid the ultimate price. You can see tracks of others who took the same risk (you probably see tracks through there every single day) and skied on without a second thought. On another day I'm sure he would have lived to tell the tale too. But as someone else said Sh*t happens.
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and 33% resort mis-protection.
Can you imagine the resorts fencing off or padding every rock and tree? X% bad judgement Y% horrible luck, his and his family's predicament sends shivers down my spine.
It was a big rockfield partly hidden under a large crest in the middle of a busy fast trail full of cr*p skiers in a rush to get down the hill.
The resort should have stuck some V-shaped barriers around it and funnelled their customers away from the risky rocks.
They screwed up.
Add in the camera with a metal prong on it -- an inch from the brain.
And an average skier hanging out in a rockfield.
It's a catalog of errors.
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Whitegold wrote:
tangowaggon wrote:
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and 33% resort mis-protection.
Can you imagine the resorts fencing off or padding every rock and tree? X% bad judgement Y% horrible luck, his and his family's predicament sends shivers down my spine.
It was a big rockfield partly hidden under a large crest in the middle of a busy fast trail full of cr*p skiers in a rush to get down the hill.
The resort should have stuck some V-shaped barriers around it and funnelled their customers away from the risky rocks.
They screwed up.
Rubbish.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
I love the way people are resigned to "poo-poo happening" like its just a matter of time before they join the statistics. "poo-poo happens" applies to things you have no control over like an illness or someone else's recklessness or a natural disaster. You're in control of where you ski so poo-poo doesn't just "happen" does it?
Can you imagine the resorts fencing off or padding every rock and tree? X% bad judgement Y% horrible luck, his and his family's predicament sends shivers down my spine.
It was a big rockfield partly hidden under a large crest in the middle of a busy fast trail full of cr*p skiers in a rush to get down the hill.
The resort should have stuck some V-shaped barriers around it and funnelled their customers away from the risky rocks.
They screwed up.
Add in the camera with a metal prong on it -- an inch from the brain.
And an average skier hanging out in a rockfield.
It's a catalog of errors.
You be telling us that all chairlifts need a 5 point safety harness next. Oh that and every piste should have a sign saying 'caution snow is slippy and this piste goes downhill user caution is advised'
Womble of the male chicken variety.
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I cannot really offer any expert opinion, only to say that I had a crash where I went airborne and hit the ground helmet first. The camera mount was completely ripped off - luckily it was a standard Garmin plastic mount. Don't know if rumours of the metal mount was true, but this thread surely echoed though my mind after getting up to collect the bits and pieces off the slope.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't followed all the detail, but I do remember seeing pictures of the accident site immediately after the accident and wondering why he took a route that looked so uninviting, when there were snowier options immediately adjacent.
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