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| queenie pretty please wrote: |
| The mother of a colleague tested positive. So we were all tested the same day, and the results came by email 12 hours later. |
That's impressive, but easy to see why testing is getting overwhelmed if they are forward-contacting the contacts of the K1 contact (so two stops down the line), without a positive from the K1. Also, at that point, you're possible not following the same chain of infection, and effectively testing people at random.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Scarlet, oops 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Scarlet, is the testing overwhelmed? I know there was briefly an issue in Salzburg because half of the contact tracing workforce had to go into quarantine, but that was very quickly resolved. The rule seems to be that a Verdachtsfall (suspected case, so someone with symptoms or who has had close contact with a positive case in the last 7 days) has to have a test. At work all colleagues that have close contact with a Verdachtsfall also have to be tested. We are tested at work, and the results are emailed within 12 hours.
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@queenie pretty please, Sorry, I wrote testing when I meant contact tracing (trying to do too many things...), which has recently had issues in Voralberg and Tirol, and probably elsewhere. If your colleague had symptoms then that makes more sense.
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
@VolklAttivaS5, that would appear to be so. Surprising that they haven't included the North West (i.e Manchester/Liverpool, Lancs) or the West Midlands on their list as yet.  |
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Press conference expected at 4:30pm for lockdown measures throughout November.
"Most venues for leisure and sport activities such as cinemas, theatres, swimming pools, dance schools and betting shops will be closed." - no mention of skiing in the leaked document apparently, so there's still hope despite the 8pm-6am curfew.
https://www.thelocal.at/20201031/leaked-whats-in-austrias-new-lockdown-plan
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As far as I can see ski resorts are going to be closed, along with all other leisure facilities, though I can find anywhere where skiing was specifically mentioned.
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Ski resorts haven't been explicitly mentioned, though it seems likely they would be included in sports facilities (it will probably take 'til Monday for this information to filter through). However as hotels are closed, even if the lifts are allowed to run, they won't be any good to anyone who can't do day trips.
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@clarky999, lifts can remain open for 'Spitzensportler' but not us normal folk.
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No ban on ski touring, although I don't know of many places where you can tour from the car this early on. More research needed.
I am most annoyed that sports facilities are shutting along with the evening curfew. That's my evenings scuppered, though I suppose I can still go out on my bike as long as I'm back before 8pm. I also had a course I'd organised to run in a fortnight, so I guess that's off too. Not safe to run a safety course, WTAF  I'll see if we can postpone it to December.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I guess by December there will be a different set of rules anyway but is the latest (aside from ski resorts and hotels being closed) that you can travel to Austria without a test or doing a quarantine on entry provided you don’t live in the areas mentioned of the UK? What happens when you get home to the UK? You have to quarantine here or not?
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@VolklAttivaS5, yes you do
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You know it makes sense.
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@holidayloverxx, thanks, I just had another look at another bit of the site and you’re right we do.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Scarlet wrote: |
No ban on ski touring, although I don't know of many places where you can tour from the car this early on. More research needed.
I am most annoyed that sports facilities are shutting along with the evening curfew. That's my evenings scuppered, though I suppose I can still go out on my bike as long as I'm back before 8pm. I also had a course I'd organised to run in a fortnight, so I guess that's off too. Not safe to run a safety course, WTAF I'll see if we can postpone it to December. |
What does the new lockdown mean in terms of travel and sports ? It seems to be fairly light for going out and about.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Sun 1-11-20 10:59; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Scarlet, what is your course? Can it perhaps be done via webinar?
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@Markymark29, it's a snow safety/avi course, so not really.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| davidof wrote: |
| Scarlet wrote: |
No ban on ski touring, although I don't know of many places where you can tour from the car this early on. More research needed.
I am most annoyed that sports facilities are shutting along with the evening curfew. That's my evenings scuppered, though I suppose I can still go out on my bike as long as I'm back before 8pm. I also had a course I'd organised to run in a fortnight, so I guess that's off too. Not safe to run a safety course, WTAF I'll see if we can postpone it to December. |
What does the new lockdown mean? |
Basically the key points are that hotels and restaurants will close (takeaway/delivery will be allowed), sports facilities (gyms, ski resorts, climbing walls) will close, cinemas/theatres/etc will close, and most/all events will be cancelled. Plus there is a curfew from 8pm-6am.
However there are exclusions to that curfew, including doing "personal sport alone outside if it's needed for mental and physical health". The government have explicitly mentioned going out for a run or walk after 8pm as allowed. I would imagine they intend cycling to be included as an 'allowable exception.'
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Ausgangsbeschränkungen
Das Verlassen des eigenen privaten Wohnbereichs ist zwischen 20 und 6 Uhr untersagt. Die Ausgangsbeschränkungen gelten vorerst bis inklusive 12. November 2020, dürften aber mehrmals bis Ende November verlängert werden..
Es gibt nur fünf Ausnahmen:
Berufliche Zwecke
Deckung notwendiger Grundbedürfnisse des täglichen Lebens
Betreuung und Pflege Hilfsbedürftiger und familiäre Rechte und Pflichten
Abwehr von Gefahr für Leib, Leben und Eigentum
Körperliche und psychische Erholung
Untersagt sind sonstige abendliche oder nächtliche Besuche in fremden Wohnungen. Ebenfalls raus darf man in der Nacht zur Abwehr von Gefahren für Leib, Leben und Eigentum.
Der fünfte Grund rauszugehen, betrifft den Zweck der "körperlichen und psychischen Erholung", also den Aufenthalt im Freien. Als explizite Beispiele nennt die Regierung etwa Spaziergänge, Joggen oder Gassi gehen mit dem Hund. |
Skitouring, hiking, biking etc during the day is allowed, and there are no restrictions (like in France) on how far away from home one may go to do it.
Basically it isn't a lockdown at all, and is WAY more relaxed than the actual lockdown we had in the spring.
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| davidof wrote: |
| What does the new lockdown mean in terms of travel and sports ? It seems to be fairly light for going out and about. |
As far I can see, if it's outdoors, on your own (ish), i.e. not a team sport, and before 8pm, it's ok. So going for a hike/ski tour/bike ride etc. are all fine, though I'm a bit confused about how many people can go together outside of your household – need to check that. Ski lifts will close except to the racers. The parks will stay open, so you can still play tennis etc. There are no travel restrictions, though hotels are closed so realistically that means you need to be home by 8pm.
I'm annoyed because there's a little unmanned bouldering wall in the city that I have a key for. I normally cycle there a couple of evenings a week for a couple of hours, so if the weather's crap and I'm just sitting at home working, I still get a 20km round trip on the bike and a bit of a strength workout. Recently, the highest number of people I've seen there at the same time has been three others, and most of the time it's just me, so not exactly a high risk activity. I don't normally get home till 10pm ish though, so the curfew scuppers me anyway.
Edit: apparently after 8pm would be ok for the solo sport thing, but it's dark so most people will be done by then anyway.
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Basically it isn't a lockdown at all, and is WAY more relaxed than the actual lockdown we had in the spring. |
That's just it – is it going to make any difference whatsoever? There doesn't feel like there's much push to get people to work from home if they can, so commuters will still be filling buses and offices. I guess the curfew might work if it stems the parties, but scaring people into compliance isn't going to work again.
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| clarky999 wrote: |
| Basically it isn't a lockdown at all, and is WAY more relaxed than the actual lockdown we had in the spring. |
That's just it – is it going to make any difference whatsoever? There doesn't feel like there's much push to get people to work from home if they can, so commuters will still be filling buses and offices. I guess the curfew might work if it stems the parties, but scaring people into compliance isn't going to work again. |
Probably not as effectively as the spring, but it's still removing a lot of possible vectors of transmission:
1. The curfew especially seems like a work around to stop the parties in private homes that the government is otherwise legally unable to ban
2. All the film festivals in cinemas scheduled for November won't be happening, plus all other indoor events
3. Christmas markets - who knows, but seems likely they will at a minimum be pushed until December
4. Normal meet-ups in bars and restaurants
5. Gyms must be a total hotbed for transmission
6. Incoming tourists
I agree that they need to do more to push working from home too though - lots of employers have been very old-fashioned about that over the last month or two, even where it worked perfectly in the spring - but it does sound like many are re-considering that stance now with the new measures. Hope so anyway!
If/when more working from home happens, that leaves pretty few opportunities for anyone to pass the virus on.
And if as seems likely, the main goal behind the measures is to get the numbers down enough for Germany to allow travel again before the key holiday dates, it might well be enough. If so, then stand by for the same again in January before the next key ski holiday dates...
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| clarky999 wrote: |
Probably not as effectively as the spring, but it's still removing a lot of possible vectors of transmission:
1. The curfew especially seems like a work around to stop the parties in private homes that the government is otherwise legally unable to ban
2. All the film festivals in cinemas scheduled for November won't be happening, plus all other indoor events
3. Christmas markets - who knows, but seems likely they will at a minimum be pushed until December
4. Normal meet-ups in bars and restaurants
5. Gyms must be a total hotbed for transmission
6. Incoming tourists |
Good points – didn't know about stuff like film festivals, but they're not really my thing. I agree about the curfew being a workaround – that was my initial thought. Not sure about gyms though – the govt have always denied that sport (of any kind) was a high transmission area, though I get they're just trying to stop people being indoors together now.
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| I agree that they need to do more to push working from home too though - lots of employers have been very old-fashioned about that over the last month or two, even where it worked perfectly in the spring - but it does sound like many are re-considering that stance now with the new measures. Hope so anyway! |
Really? I noticed that the restrictions mention things like plexi-glass panels being okay, which seems daft as like face shields (now banned), they are splash screens that do nothing against aerosol transmission (unless fully sealed, i.e. a wall...) and so in many situations are very much a piece of theatre.
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| stand by for the same again in January before the next key ski holiday dates... |
Brilliant. can't wait.
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Thanks for the answers, can you drive to do your sport? There doesn't seem to be any restriction so you could go for a 5 hour cycle ride then?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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As always some of this stuff doesnt make much sense. I have not been going anywhere near the gym since this all started and dont intend to again until I have been vaccinated. This thing clearly gets spread around by breathing most especially in enclosed spaces where people are breathing deeply eg singing, shouting or exercise. Lots of people have been going though so not everyone agrees. Conversely been perfectly happy on public transport since the beginning. No issue at all with outside exercise.
The plastic shields dont seem to make a lot of sense and actually do much unless you create a completely isolated space however very happy that they are popular as churning out lots of plastic dividers has been one of the things keeping the business going for the past few months!
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You know it makes sense.
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@munich_irish, I have been getting back to the gym as soon as I could. I book in the 6:30am slots and to start with it was just 4 or 5 of us. The same people. The rules of not being able to go on equipment next to another person not in your household mean sometimes have to reorder my work out.
As instructed I clean equipment down both before and after (noticed as time has gone on I seem to be alone in maintaining the before).
The health benefits of being able to get my cv fitness back up keeps my asthma nearly asymptomatic. Well worth it.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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It seems there is every chance I have been infected. Despite the negative tests on Thursday my direct colleague who I share an office with has subsequently tested positive. I'm auto-immune and basically shitting myself.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@queenie pretty please, are you on immunosuppressants? From what I have read that is one of the treatments that has been successful. Fingers firmly crossed for you!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@queenie pretty please, oh no!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| NickyJ wrote: |
@munich_irish, I have been getting back to the gym as soon as I could. I book in the 6:30am slots and to start with it was just 4 or 5 of us. The same people. The rules of not being able to go on equipment next to another person not in your household mean sometimes have to reorder my work out.
As instructed I clean equipment down both before and after (noticed as time has gone on I seem to be alone in maintaining the before).
The health benefits of being able to get my cv fitness back up keeps my asthma nearly asymptomatic. Well worth it. |
I've been back at my gym since it reopened and TBH I feel much safer there than I do at, for example, the supermarket or even just walking down the street. The gym have been fantastic with their measures and enforcing them, there's hand sanitiser at the entrance and readily available throughout, efficient booking system for the pool and classes and the equipment organised (either taped off or spaced out) well to allow for distancing.
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We’ve just heard from a friend of ours that owns a couple of mountain restaurants in a small Austrian resort, and there is a fierce debate going on whether they will open or not for Xmas. It’s certainly not a done deal yet.
Ever the optimist, I believe they will if they can see business through to March at least.
That said, if the numbers don’t go down, there’s a very real possibility that they may not.
I’m booking my travel as late as possible, then the debate is whether to drive down in a UK registered car, and get pulled over for a test at the German border or fly into Munich and hire a car with German plates (did this a month ago and were waved through).
Friends who drove down from the UK 2 weeks ago, got pulled at the border and had to wait 3 hours for a test / results
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@NickyJ, no medication other than painkillers.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
@Sitter, the problem with all the "measures" is that they are ineffective against a virus that predominately spreads by aerosol action ie breathing. Hand sanitiser is of very little help and potentially causes skin issues with regular use. Simply being in an enclosed space with others for any length of time is a risk, especially with deeper breathing. I am not exercising wearing a mask, cycling, mountain walking or ski touring are a much better idea  Maybe if the area is completely ventilated that might be different. Here in Bavaria schools now have to keep the windows open all day, parents are complaining as the kids are having to wear winter coats in class...
@queenie pretty please, my partner got it very early on, she is on immuno suppressant medication but besides feeling crap for a few days and thinking red wine tasted like vinegar (her favourite Chianti  ) she seems to have fully recovered with no issues (including her taste buds). Neither of us could be described as "young"! Even if you do get it in all probability it will be no big deal, if you are unlucky and it does affect you badly the medical treatment has improved dramatically in the past 6 months. Hopefully you wont have it. |
The gym I'm at is a large, spacious one, basically like a big warehouse and they have ventilation (especially with the outdoor classes!). Obviously something that varies from gym to gym and I'm not saying that heavy breathing doesn't transmit anything, but mine have been brilliant and there have been no cases of transmissions (and it's in a tier 3 area). If anything I probably saw more people heavy breathing in a more confined area trying to walk round the supermarket (and plenty who don't seem to know how to wear a face mask correctly )!
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| queenie pretty please wrote: |
| It seems there is every chance I have been infected. Despite the negative tests on Thursday my direct colleague who I share an office with has subsequently tested positive. I'm auto-immune and basically shitting myself. |
Best of luck! FWIW I had it in October, and despite 10 days quarantining together in a 60m2 flat my girlfriend didn't catch it (and she was tested three times), and I know two other couples who the same happened to. So infection isn't a definite, and hopefully you will also have managed to avoid it! Does demonstrate the importance of home office where possible - I got it from someone who caught it at their work.
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@queenie pretty please, as you may know already people are classed as infectious for the 48 hours before symptoms presented.
It is possible that someone may become infected by touching a person, a surface or object that has been contaminated with respiratory secretions and then touching their own mouth, nose, or eyes (such as shaking hands or touching doorknobs then touching own face).
Close contact is when a person who has been near (within 2 metres) to someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 and this contact was any time from 2 days before until 10 days after onset of symptoms in the infected person (this is when they are infectious to others).
Close contact is further defined as having face-to-face contact with someone less than a metre away (even if a face-covering or face-mask is worn) or being within 2 metres of an infected person for 15 minutes or more.
Days 5-10 after first symptoms are also critical (I have read as I have no medical quals!) for some people experience a second and more serious wave over this period.
Best of British to you; the odds are almost certainly in your favour 
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@queenie pretty please, I wish you all the best.
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Obviously that won't be much consolation for everyone who's livelihoods are affected though.
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