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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Huge dump of snow currently forecast for next Monday and Tuesday, whoop 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@pctaylor, forget it. Long term forecasts are useless, definitely in the Alps
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Nice sunny skiing today around St Anton today, no fresh snow but conditions on piste are good and just happy to be back on any snow after 2 years off! 
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Picture perfect day today. Bluebird. No wind. Very few people over at Rendl.
Yup, the off has been tracked out, but still plenty of good skiing. As a wise old man said to me a few years ago, “We have sunshine, snow, and we are skiing. What else do you need?”
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Yes @ulmerhutte ! And the Rendl restaurant terrace was sublime in the sun 
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Agree. Zurs was quiet and decent snow high up.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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We got back from St Anton on Saturday after some delays and chaos at Innsbruck (which turns out its the chambery of Austria). This was my first visit to Arlberg and had super week of skiiing, mixed weather both bit of fresh stuff and sunshine and a fix mixed days but the snow was good and when we could see the skiing was excellent. Few things we came away with thought, the piste map is absolutely useless. Most resorts are better once you know them but its especially true of Alberg, we didn't fine the on piste signage that helpful either but we eventually figured it out. I guess we were expecting Lech/St Anton to be better connected but i've since discovered they've only been linked since 2017, it does create a funnel of busy runs between resorts, especially at either end of the day.
I'd definitely go back to explore more off-piste and also the aprex in full swing when that's back to normal. That said if you like to ski miles as we do then Lech is the better location in my opinion but i guess it depends what you want.
bonus points for having so many chairs with heated seats 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Russeh, we have been flying to Innsbruck for the last 15 years. (from Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Eindhoven)
Never had any chaos, or delays.
Don't jump to conclusions based on one bad experience, in a very special season.
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I too have flown into INN many times, a few minor delays but those were down to low visibility. But on one occasion the pilot decided that the viz would be too poor and prolonged after MAN departure so diverted to Munich. Buses met the a/c and bussed pax down to INN for original resort transfer busses.
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You know it makes sense.
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the piste map is absolutely useless
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Yep. It's not possible to show the runs in anything like a realistic view on a single map. They should break it up in to at least 2 maps, if not 3, with an additional "overview" map showing lifts maybe (Les3V do this, and other places too I suspect). You are probably better off with Google maps on a phone to be honest.
Never had any issues with flying to INN personally but I don't use it that often. I tend to fly to MUC and drive, because it's much cheaper, there are way more options to get there and they have late flights back to the UK on a Sunday night  I know INN used to be very unreliable but they upgraded the runway instrumentation quite a while ago, but given the geography it's bound to get some challenging conditions.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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I dont think much wrong with the piste map but maybe I have been so many times I dont really need it any more. It is a big area but unlike in many French resorts there are no dense networks of lifts (Lech a bit I suppose), the connection between Zürs & Lech is maybe not what many would expect. For me the unique features are what makes the Arlberg so good but I can see that those used to other places, say 3V in France, might not find it suits them.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@stanton, you will be allowed to go to the pub again, though maybe better to save your money to pay the fines
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I feel a bit better about my navigation reading these comments… but anyway…my scenic detours have generally revealed the nicest pistes.
Some of the main commuter routes, eg. 170 on The White Ring, are getting a bit icy (but at least not icy moguls)
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Another fantastic bluebird day. Started off with the intention of going to Lech, only to miss the ski bus in Zurs by 30 secs. So, we decided to try a few runs in Zurs and ended up staying for the day! So quiet, pistes in great nick, no queues, brilliant. Not so good if you’re a powder hound, but if you like smashing the pistes it’s great!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@munich_irish, +1
I’ve never used or felt the need for a piste map in Arlberg, so many natural landmarks.
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| Markymark29 wrote: |
@munich_irish, +1
I’ve never used or felt the need for a piste map in Arlberg, so many natural landmarks. |
Fine if you’re familiar with the areas, but if you’re on your first visit then the comfort of a good piste map is invaluable
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@Timmy T, tend to agree.
Heaven forbid arriving here on a low visibility day, especially if you are only an intermediate skier, as we were 20 years ago. There are many places that you can ski into, drop off into, etc, places where you soon wish you were not. The problem is that a ski map is not a particularly user-friendly nav tool in the wind and with few/no visible landmarks, but better than nothing.
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@ulmerhutte, low vis is not good even if you know the place. You can feel completely lost within 50m of the Galzig restaurant!
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I’ve been skiing in the Arlberg for over twenty years and it was my eighteenth birthday last weekend. I’ve only used a Piste map once and that was to snowplough back to Lech from the Moose through a blizzard. And that was before they cut the Flexenpass. Rest of you don’t know how lucky you are. 
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Oh yeah, @munich_irish, I have no time to tell you all the many ways & times I have lost spatial and situational awareness in a whiteout. Even trying to navigate from the top of Osthangbahn to the Galzig, which I have probably done 100s of times, I still sometimes finish up too far downslope and have to repeat the loop. Experience however helps you understand what threats might exist where you are and what your options are if you are not where you planned to be.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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There is nothing wrong with the piste map. The post that generated this conversation was an inane veiled moan about why st anton was not exactly like 3V where I usually go. I mean how dare they be different. The comparison of insbruck to chambery alone was xenophobic conflation that we could all do without.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| mcg wrote: |
| There is nothing wrong with the piste map. The post that generated this conversation was an inane veiled moan about why st anton was not exactly like 3V where I usually go. I mean how dare they be different. The comparison of insbruck to chambery alone was xenophobic conflation that we could all do without. |
Not clear what you are trying to say. The last sentence is just a word salad of woke-scold terms.
The OP appeared to have a pretty good time here, his experience at INN was not great, and he thought the piste map could be better. He referenced Chambery, which seems to get regular bagging on this forum, so perhaps he picked up on that vibe. It was his opinion, so that’s fine to me.
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| mcg wrote: |
| There is nothing wrong with the piste map. The post that generated this conversation was an inane veiled moan about why st anton was not exactly like 3V where I usually go. I mean how dare they be different. The comparison of insbruck to chambery alone was xenophobic conflation that we could all do without. |
Didn't come across as inane or moaning to me, quite the opposite, Russeh said they'd definitely go back.
If the piste map works for you that's fine, I don't usually bother with it myself except when trying to explain to others how to get around, so my comments about making it clearer were more based on the experiences of people new to the area.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Ok wasn't quite expecting some of those responses, for clarity i wasn't saying don't use Innsbruck but like Chambery its a high airport thats terrain and weather make it more liable to delays and diversions, its small so that when that happens people are queueing out of the door as they were when we arrived the other Saturday (2.5 hours to checking).
There was no vailed reference to its not being like the 3 valleys, i enjoyed the fact it's different especially the hospitality and the people but inevitably you compare it with other places you've been its just human nature.
We'll have agreed to disagree on the piste map. Unless you've already skied the area it just isn't very clear at all, i heard several other groups at breakfast all having the same conversation as us about the map.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| sah wrote: |
Didn't come across as inane or moaning to me, quite the opposite, Russeh said they'd definitely go back.
If the piste map works for you that's fine, I don't usually bother with it myself except when trying to explain to others how to get around, so my comments about making it clearer were more based on the experiences of people new to the area. |
Thats how it was intended and to share my experience as someone new to this area and hopefully that benefits anyone else reading this going to St Anton for the first time. If i knew before what i do now i would have done more homework on how you get around.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Russeh, it's really OK but you don't need anyone telling you that of course.
I like 3V for the leisure skiing and it's big, I LOVE St. Anton for its warmth and hospitality, it feels way more personal after 3 times than 3V/EK ever will. Not to mention the apres in Mooserwirt or BaseCamp.
Innsbruck ain't an easy landing spot and I have spent once (Crystal in late Dec.) 4 hrs waiting for the fog to allow us to fly back, only to be shipped by taxi to Munich and then home through Warsaw 
I find their app and Arlberg map correct, but the first time there I had problems understanding the area above Zammermoos and Tanzboden, i.e. how to get to Arlenmahder/Schindlerbahn.
It grows on you, I'll probably return in a month
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@Russeh, You didnt come across as moaning, nothing wrong with anyone's experience. The Arlberg has a good number of minus points, especially when it is busy. I can also see how people new to the area might find getting around a bit of a challenge, it isnt like many other large ski areas in that there are few links between the areas. For instance the quickest way between St Anton & Lech (even Zürs & Lech) is by bus. It rewards those who are willing to take on a bit of a challenge (you dont have to be a rubber legged expert), once I understood that, everywhere else seemed to pale in comparison.
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@munich_irish, is there a regular village ski bus service between all the Arlberg resorts? Is it covered on the ski pass?
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@rogg, he knows better but from my own experience it was 4€ to Zurs and 5€ to Lech.
Money well spent early mornings when everyone is rushing to get to the other side, especially after snowy days.
Yet the ski routes to Zug and Lech from Madloch are worth doing at least once.
Pettneu has a free skibus early mornings and in the afternoons, if I remember correctly
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@drporat, thanks.
First time to the Arlberg, I've tried searching the forum but wading through the masses of info for specific questions is really tough. I'll try and condense/ask as few dumb numpty questions as possible.
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There are no dumb questions. And sometimes it's easier to ask than to sift through endless web pages on the web.
The more you'll come to Arlberg, the more you'll feel at home and at ease.
I've been more times to Tignes and I speak French fluently but in St. Anton I truly feel happier, warmer and peaceful.
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@rogg, you have to pay for the bus between St Anton & Zürs/Lech, as @drporat, says its only a few Euros. The other local ski buses are free during the day, for the night buses in St Anton there is a small charge (though given that the bars shut at 22:00 currently not much point in them). Personally I think the best option for getting to Zürs in the morning from St Anton is the bus. There is (was?) one at 08:40 from the main bus stops next to the Rendlbahn. This gets to Zürs just after 09:00, which is earlier than is possible using the lifts, beats the queues on the way to Madloch etc, the sunny east facing slopes aboves Zürs are usually at their best first thing. Also worth using the bus from Lech to Zürs, it runs every 10 minutes, if you take the Lech variation of the Madloch run you can practically ski to the bus stop (needs decent snow, involves a bit of road skiing / hopping into hotel car parks, better with hire skis as grit not ideal for ski bases!) to get back to Zürs to do it again.
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The 8:41 bus to Zürs/Lech gets in at 9:11. The bus stop for it is now at the Bahnhof. I think science had something to do with the change.
Lightly snowing this morning, but not much accumulation so far.
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