 Poster: A snowHead
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Hang on guys - has anyone ascertained whether or not this ia a denial of access or a technical problem with the SC site? (MAYBE they are installing new forum software??)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I think we should keep a level head about this, perhaps they are simply carrying out some system maintenance and haven't put a note out to this effect
(What do I sound like  )
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Oops Alan, I haven't got the hang of this multipage thing...
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
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and you being a moderator... 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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You know what they say, those who can't.......moderate! 
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You'll need to Register first of course.
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I'm just along to provide healthy roughage 
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Seems to be back open to members again, maybe they just had a technical blip - all the threads still seem to be there
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Yes, Lawrence, Laura popped up somewhere around here with a message to that effect last night.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Mark Ogilvie, Council member (and "Royal Navy Commando Pilot") has just stated that he is AGAINST making minutes of Council meetings available to members.
Unbelievable.
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Surely thats unconstitutional for a club?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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But standard practice for the military 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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There's no such thing as accountability in the SCGB's Council's opinion. After all, they're voted in by an apathetic membership. Less that 50 from a membership of 27,000 attended the AGM. I sincerely hope the next AGM will be different.
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I've a feeling it might be 
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You know it makes sense.
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More developments over in Ski Club - I've posted about them on the Thread in the ski=ing forum
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Dave and Peters comments are breathtaking - how can a club refuse members council minutes. there's an argument that the odd section might be deleted as commercially confidential, but jeez that makes Kim Il Sung look like a great democrat.
Some of you will recall my postings 'in another place' to the effect that someone needs to ask what happens to the chairman's proxies. With a membership of {say} 30k and only 50 attending to vote assuming that the chairman uses proxies as he/she sees fit them they completely control the club.
Perhaps someone might ask the question - how many proxies and how used ?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Hi Arnold – good to have you back.
I don’t think that the Articles of Association permit proxy voting at the AGM, so it should be one vote for each person in attendance. However I will check when I get home tonight.
Latest development over at SCGB is that David G has highlighted one of the new ‘forum chat rules’ that has just appeared, which says:
“Users must not use the forums to make detailed complaints against any individual or organisation”
A fairly lively (although fairly one sided!) debate has just got started between Council members keen to justify this attempt to curtail any criticism of their leadership, and us members keen to remind them of some of the basic principles of democracy.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I had noticed that nasty little 'rule' - I suppose general complaints are OK ???
There are a few other restrictions some might object to. The new SCGB 'chat guidelines' are however pretty sensible and some of our users might like to take a look.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Surely you can still praise the club though?
Something along the lines of: "I commend the way SCGB is maintaining its place in the elite end of skiing. I would hate to have common riff-raff coming to the club house, and am personally disgusted at the number of skiers I come across who don't even have an SW postcode! Also, I am happy to admit that the committee clearly know best in terms of the future direction and interests of the club, therefore it makes perfect sense that as many voting rights as possible reside with the present encumbents."
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Ouch!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Sorry - that was actually meant more in jest than as a serious snipe, although it's probably fair to say there are still a minority of people around who maintain those views. Hopefully the efforts of David and other forward-thinking members will change the perception...
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Yeah, I know, I should have used one of these... 
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Having said that, it might be quite interesting/amusing to construct a "joke" letter to SCGB committee along those lines to see what response, if any, it elicits from the club! If it were carefully constructed (not too over the top), it might skip under their WUM* radar.
* Wind-up-merchant
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The 2003 report and accounts has a proxy form at the back, made out by default to the chairperson, but with instructions on how to nominate another Council member. It also had a check box to receive the meeting minutes. (I e-mailed asking for the report at the weekend)
I find goings on in SCGB a bit depressing at the moment; they had a nice open forum, which could have done with some improvement, but was fundamentally civilised and highly informative. Now very little but circular bickering is happening on the members only forum 
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Seems I was quite wrong about proxies. Clause 29 of the Articles provides for every adult member to be able to appoint another adult member to vote as his/her proxy. Appointments of proxies must be received by the Secretary at least 48 hours before the meeting. Doesn't appear to be a limit on the number of members a member may be proxy for, so maybe nothing to stop the chairman 'collecting' multiple proxies and casting multiple proxy votes. I'm sure nobody would be that cynical though!
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Dave as far as I can see the Chair doesn t need to go about trawling for proxies. So long as the form is returned it's prxied to the chair by default {unless you opt out}. As I understand things the ballot is run by E.R.S. - a question for them would surely be how many chairmans proxies are cast compared to what one might call actual votes - a member voting in a specific way for or against a specific issue or candidate. It may be that lets say 50 attend and vote and there are a further 10 proxies in which case.... so what. Conversely there may be 50 voting and 500 proxies which might be a bit more worrying !
The not being nasty clause {Users must not use the forums to make detailed complaints against any individual or organisation} seems brilliantly calculated to produce Kim Il Sung esque endorsements of the club and all it's works. In essence I would be allowed to say that the reps qualification is a joke, but not to explain why........ hmmmmm
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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However, as only members can access, no one can be put off joining.
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