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skimottaret, sounds very similar to my experience with Andy. I started out quite sceptical but could really feel the difference when flexing my ankle on his machine. Ended up with a 3 degree shim on each foot and 4mm heel lifts.
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| spyderjon, Wakey, Wakey. |
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rob@rar, did you do the heel lifts last? we did all the fore aft stuff standing on the footbeds and I was a neutral. then all of sudden i need 6 mm lift...
have you had a proper ski with your new setup yet? did the imrovements in feel transfer onto snow?
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skimottaret, sounds liek you need to go for a ski  any excuse
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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skimottaret, Were I really noticed the difference of zero angle was in soft snow/powder as previously I'd get that 'over the handlebars' unbalanced feeling. I actually balanced best with my toes 1mm higher than the heel pieces & that's how I've set up the bindings on both of pairs of FR's.
AFAIK theses are the manufactures current set-up's:
Marker Duke & Jester(?) 0mm
Atomic +2mm
Salomon +2mm
Fischer/Tyrolia +3mm
Look/Rossi, Marker & VIST + 5mm
The thickness of the ski at the mounting points needs to factored in as it will also make a difference to the heights, eg on my FR's the ski is thinner by 1mm under the heel piece than under the toe piece so I've got 7mm under my Vist toe pieces to give me a nett height of +1mm under the toe. Don't forget you'll need long screws.
I haven't got round to adjusting the Speedlocks on my piste skis but it looks like the easiest way will be to shim between the plate & the ski (the easiest to do being the TT plate) providing Vist offer some longer plate mounting screws. It's also possible to shim between the binding & the plate but you probably couldn't add more than a couple of mm.
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Tue 17-06-08 10:45; edited 1 time in total
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skimottaret, i should clarify, and i think you sumed it up yourself, the lift inside the boot changes the relationship between the foot and the ankle and allows more flexion lifting the toes of the boot in the binding repostions the starting point for that flexion
does that make sense
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skimottaret, I've always skied with heel lifts, so we did the process with them.
I did feel a difference when on snow. It was fairly subtle and I could feel it only when skiing smooth, firm piste, but I found that the change in the lateral balance made it easier to engage the little-toe edge of my inner ski.
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CEM, skiing tonight in the fridge but not sure that counts... I think i get it, it was just a little odd to do all the balance stuff just on the footbeds and then once back in boots find i need a heel lift but i can see the logic that the inside heel lifts put the ankle joint in a better position..
rob@rar, thanks, was just curious as the static dry land movement was so much improved was wondering if that held during skiing. My guess was some but not a huge amount.
spyderjon, that ties up with what i felt on my Karmas and interesting if they turn out to be 5 mm high perhaps that is why i didnt get on with them so well..
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| rob@rar, thanks, was just curious as the static dry land movement was so much improved was wondering if that held during skiing. My guess was some but not a huge amount. |
I think with all this kind of stuff (boot alignment, setting ski edges, ramp angles and the like) you are very much fine tuning the process rather than making huge changes. Most of the time I'm not aware of small changes to my alignment because I'm 100% focused on the big things like what line should I take, how do I avoid wiping out, etc. But when I do remove some of those major issues (e.g. skiing on a uniform, hard piste) I am able to tell the difference between various edge angles, boot setups and similar fine tuning aspects of my skiing.
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skimottaret, you may notice a bit more difference than Rob, but possibly only because you are tall, your longer levers mean that a slight difference in the boot will make a greater difference by the time it reaches your knee or hip
time will tell
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For me, I notice the difference even more in soft snow as there is less feedback on what my skis are doing.
There was a discussion recently on Epicski suggesting ways of making instructors more aware of what it feels like to try to ski when out of alignment. I suggested earlier this season that we should build something similar into our race coach system, but I don't know if anything will happen.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rjs, something we are working on right now, hopefully in the near future we will have 4 pairs of identical skis with different set ups for peopel to play on, not a case of getting everyone perfect but a great way of making them aware of what happens when.....
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hmmmm..very interesting........should I bring my skis along tomorrow CEM?
regards,
Greg
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You know it makes sense.
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kitenski, got the machine in store but no wedges here, Andi will be back in next month
so no need for the skis
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