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Hakuba or niseko or both

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Just starting to plan winter 2012 ski plans, and have had an incredible offer to visit an old friend in Japan , he is suggesting hakuba as the place for us to ski ( he boards actually) and I have only really looked at niseko myself,
So thinking of six days at one or four days at each , any thoughts would be appreciated snowHead
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looks bloody brilliant i asked one of my pals about oing this year and he just said "shushi does my head in get it out of your head" think Im gonna have to get a new pal Toofy Grin
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Neilski, only done Niseko & Furano myself. Will defo go back to Niseko/Hirafu due to it's gated access & avi controlled off-piste. Won't go back to Furano as off-piste skiing can only be done with a guide. No knowledge of Hakuba I'm afraid.
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spyderjon, after a bit of research two centre trip seems the best way to go , and niseko is on the defo list for the access that you mentioned, are you still thinking of going out next year , if so would be great to meet up, am thinking early feb.

meandrew, get a new mate, there is more to japan than raw fish !!!! , i am going for the guaranteed pow !!!!
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For that length of time I would go with one or the other.

If Honshu, then Hakuba, Myoko Kogen and Nozawa Onsen.

If Niseko, then Niseko, Rusutsu and Kiroro.

Ask here or PM me if you'd like more info on Hokkaido.
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Neilski, We did Zao and Shiga Kogen about 4 days in each this year, the thing to consider is how your are going to transfer between each resort, we took day to move between them and its the same island and did it by train, not a problem as Japanese trains are great, though luggage space is limited.

Check out the Snowjapan site, a bit like snowheads, lots of useful information, also www.japanskiexperience.co.uk.

Hakuba was one of the resorts we looked at, but the draw of the snow monkey meant we went for Shiga Kogen
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I did both last Feb, it takes a bit of organisation and transfers eat into time but its fantastic. I'd go with Mike Pow, suggestion though and do the niseko option with a few days in tokyo. Brush the dust off your aussie phrase book and you'll have no worries mate.

meandrew, it's not the sushi thats a problem they do eat other things, it's just they do have a tendency to put fish sauce in things you would't expect. It's a fantastic place and somewhere we will definitely return to.

A general tip is to buy connecting flights, if you are doing tokyo and niseko, through your incoming airline. we flew on lufthansa's a380 (very comfortable and no problems with skis etc) and used their star alliance partner for cheap flights to niseko with skis, again no problem, but we had to inform them before hand.
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some pics if this works.

https://snowheads.com/the_zone/showphoto.php/data/1020/SH_009.jpg

https://snowheads.com/the_zone/showphoto.php/snowheads-personal-galleries/p24147-niseko.html

https://snowheads.com/the_zone/showphoto.php/data/500/SH_008.jpg
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Mike Pow, cheers , will send pm over weekend, as this is a once in a life time trip want to get it right and see the best of what japan has to offer.

Mt, not much snow when you were there then Cool

radar, thanks for the link will be back with more questions after plenty of research
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Neilski, My post might help and the photos' aren't bad either Very Happy http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=73205&highlight=zao


We used Takuhaibin to send our ski's to the airport while we went to Tokyo, when we left Shiga Kogen, more info on http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2278.html, the hotels/lodges will be able to offer the service. Its why you never see Japanese traveling with lots of luggage as they send it in advance
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This is my most recent trip report from Hokkaido

http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=75152
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radar, Mike Pow, Cheers for the links , have spent all weekend feasting on the photos, after speaking to my mate we are going to extend the trip to allow us to ski hakuba ( he already has a lodge booked on happo ) and then to move on to niseko ( Annapuri village is what he has recommended there) and also have a few days in Tokyo . And to top it off A side trip HK is also being mooted Very Happy

radar, Thanks for the baggage tip as this will make thing easier all-round Very Happy

So off to work out flights etc , then will be back with for some more info

Cheers
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Niseko Resort Area, Hokkaido

Four base areas:

Annupuri - quiet, most Japanese of the area, lodges and private homes, some great restaurants, next door to smaller ski area Moiwa

Niseko Village - large hotel, couple of smaller lodges, couple of restaurants

Hirafu - 'the village', most choice of restaurants, accom, and retail. Lively, but least 'Japanese' in feel

Hanazono - day lodge and a couple of private homes. Best and quickest access to Strawberry Fields and the peak
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Well it's done !!!
Five days on happo one, then four days in Tokyo , then five days at annupuri Very Happy Very Happy Toofy Grin

Mike Pow, Any recommendations for a guide/instructor/ski school for the off piste in niseko , will be warming up and taking it easy in hakuba then will be looking to see as much off piste as possible in hokkaido
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You'll have a great time. Did Hakuba (day each in Goryu-47, Happo and Cortina) and Niseko in Jan / Feb this year. Enjoyed both: Hakuba is a bit more laid back and more challenging skiing though the off-piste policy is more restricttive (except Cortina - if you're happy skiing steep, tight tress, go). Niseko kinda like video game skiing: mellow and deep and go anywhere. Great fun but all felt a bit more coroporate.
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Neilski wrote:
Well it's done !!!
Five days on happo one, then four days in Tokyo , then five days at annupuri Very Happy Very Happy Toofy Grin

Cut the 4 days in tokyo to 2 at most. Spend that time in Kyoto instead.

And if you're stopping in Hong Kong, I'd cut Tokyo altogether except for the transfer days.
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thebongolian, keep hearing conflicting reports of the off piste access in happo-one, have been told the patrol are quite lienient on low avi risk days , and i am planning a day in cortina , hope the tree are bendy

abc, we are staying with a mate in toyko who is married to a japanese girl , so hope to see lots of interesting local stuff there, unfortunatley the HK stopover is off due to time constriants Sad


still looking out for a couple of recommendations for a guide/instructor for happo-one and niseko, any leads would be greatly appreciated snowHead
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spyderjon wrote:
Neilski, only done Niseko & Furano myself. Will defo go back to Niseko/Hirafu due to it's gated access & avi controlled off-piste. Won't go back to Furano as off-piste skiing can only be done with a guide. No knowledge of Hakuba I'm afraid.


Niseko has an avie bulletin but no avie control to speak of - they have a volunteer expert write the bulletin and advise on if to open the gates or not - Found plenty of stuff that would slide if provoked - just a warning make sure your ski partners know how to do a tranciver search as they are your ONLY real chance of rescue off piste in japan!!
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Idris, noted, hence the need for a guide/instructor or the off piste and side country skiing
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Neilski, there are a few area which they seemed to tolerate it in happo but they got tracked quickly. Trees and lift lines were mostly off limits including cameras to enforce it. And the Cortina trees? Judge for yourself in this video:
ha-powder: a short ski-movie from Will Armitage
http://vimeo.com/19206750
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Neilski wrote:

Mike Pow, Any recommendations for a guide/instructor/ski school for the off piste in niseko , will be warming up and taking it easy in hakuba then will be looking to see as much off piste as possible in hokkaido


When are you there? Dates?
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Mike Pow, Happo 21st feb to 26th feb then niseko annupuri 1st march to 6th march

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thebongolian, Think I could be up for some of that , we are staying right on the main slope at happo , so hope to get first tracks for myself Twisted Evil
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http://hakubasnowsports.com/ is a great school in Hakuba, I work for NBS in Hirafu, not sure whether there are any English speaking schools in Annupuri.
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jimmer, cheers for the link, most useful snowHead probably do a private one on one for a couple of days in niseko , so hopefully find an english speaking guide/instructor to come over there
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Well, If you booked a half day or full day with us, we can move resorts. Here's my school http://www.nisekobase.com/
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jimmer, thats great cheers , will be in touch nearer to the time snowHead
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Neilski, a few more Hakuba links.

http://www.evergreen-hakuba.com/japan-ski/
http://www.snowseasonjapan.com/
http://www.snowseasonjapan.com/blog/
http://www.hakubahouse.com/backcountry_hakuba.aspx
http://www.snowjapan.com/e/daily/hakuba-now.php
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nozawaonsen, Cheers for those , guess from your name you are a japan ski aficionado snowHead

Pity I have accommodation sorted http://www.onechalets.com/one-chalets/one-happo. as "hakuba house " looks great Very Happy
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Hi All I'm off to japan for work in jan.and wanted to snowboard in hakuba for a few days, any advice about cheap accomodation or night life.
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