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Frosty the Snowman, In an ideal world 3-5, but up to 8 if standards are pretty similar.
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Spyderman wrote:
Frosty the Snowman, In an ideal world 3-5, but up to 8 if standards are pretty similar.

"In an ideal world..."

That explains the discontent of group lesson takers then. Almost all ski schools try to jam a fixed number of students into a group, which don't neccessarily means they're of similar ability.
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abc, and they moan about the prices that ski schools charge, that have a maximum class size of 8. Puzzled
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Well, private cost more. Quite a bit more Smile

But rarely do people moan about the "value for money" of privates... I wonder why?Wink
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abc, A point many would agree with. I've had a few weeks of ski school over the years that have largely been a waste of money as far as instruction was concerned an also an inefficient use of time. One ESF instructor was cleary ill with really bad sinuses and allowed this to affect his mood during the week. He was so abrupt and abrasive, especially if you couldn't relate to his instructions, that the group was considerably diminished by the end of the week. He kept repeating to me "...mister, more up and down movements" and that was all he said to me all week. Had a "follow me" man in Austria, the group agreed that he didn't really teach anybody anything. I suppose many people have been there but whenever I think of such lessons I think "penny-wise, pound-foolish". Had a week with Ali Ross over the new year, more expensive but I went far further up the learning curve than in any week previously.
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skimottaret wrote:
during the "activation" phase when the student is mentally alert and physically ready, and, then allow for a reasonable cool down period so the learner can absorb, digest and ask questions.

Each persons activation period varies of course... i for instance cant take much more than a few hours..



Dooms after-hours reading of BzK then. wink
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Decided last week on a short break to bite the bullet and have lessons. We went for 3 hours of private lessons with Bruno at Evoluion2 in Montchavin. I was more in need of the tuition than the missus but both of use gained hugly from the expereince. Within about 30 seonds he had us both sussed for our major faults and immediatly started working with us on technical 'games' to correct our faults.

Now completly sold on lessons. Won't get out now again until Jan 09 but would aim to do 2 sessions of 3 hours, probably first afternoon and 4th morning. Its not cheap (45 euro per hour) but we gained a lot. Also would recommend using local independent ski schools. ESF have such a bad reputation.

Lastly the one thing we both agreed on and that was what fun we had wiht the instructor. He made us do stupid things in small jumps (to prove a point on balance) he loved the fact that the mogul field in heat made me such a hot sweaty panting lump that he had us do it again Mad Laughing . Most of all though I never realised you had to think while skiing Shocked Laughing . A great but exhausting 3 hours.
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But there's no way I could do an extended number of hours of one-on-one instruction. Too demanding mentally if you try to get your money's worth and fill all the time with teaching.

Do shorter hours then?

And don't think so much about "getting the money's worth". Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Just don't try to get the "money's worth" DURING the class.

Group lessons are great if you're in the RIGHT group.


Yup, and for me the main improvements in my skiing in recent years has been to choose ski schools where I would be in the right kind of group with a high quality instructor. For the last two weeks I've been in a group of 10 with a great instructor. I made more improvements to my skiing in those two weeks than I've done in the last decade. Group lessons work just great if they are high quality. The extended period of time you have allows a far wider style of teaching strategies to be used, and more time for internal feedback to be focused on.

If I don't try to make get the most value ("money's worth") during the class, just when should I try?
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I wonder if the amount of lessons you can absorb is also highly dependant on your fitness and ability. Each year I have a one hour private session on Mon, and Tue, Wed and Thurs - so four hours in total in the week - this costs me £100. At the end of each hour I am mentally and physically knackered. I find at my level I learn sufficient to practice until the next day and don't know how I would get on with longer and/or group sessions - though I'll take what's offered anywhere inc. in April. I wouldn't be without lessons of some description yet when I go to ski, but maybe intensive longer courses are more advantageous at higher ability levels?


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Its not cheap (45 euro per hour)


That sounds pretty cheap to me. Two people get an hour's lesson, for 22.50 euro each. That's way cheaper pro rata than what I pay to get my hair cut, by a very nice girl, but hardly comparable to a highly professional ski instructor. And have you been to the dentist recently???? Or paid labour charges in a garage?
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Megamum, from my POV, I'd be able to progress you much better if you booked a whole day. One hour is, quite frankly, far too short to get anything meaningful done.
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Frosty the Snowman wrote:
So what defines "a small group"?


I would suggest 3-6 people is a "small group" in terms of ski instruction.
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