 Poster: A snowHead
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So I'm all set to buy some skis on sport-conrad.com (can't beat the prices). I've selected my skis and bindings, but when I get to the checkout, I'm asked for a "sole lenght in mm". This may be daft, but is this simply refering to my shoe size (43 = 430 mm?). In that case, why not just ask for "boot size"? Or is this something different (never bought skis before, if you couldn't tell).
That's all
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| ami in berlin wrote: |
| I'm asked for a "sole lenght in mm". |
That is exactly what is required, your boots will have the sole length printed on them somewhere, usually underneath or just on the side of the heel plate.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| srobbo wrote: |
| ami in berlin wrote: |
| I'm asked for a "sole lenght in mm". |
That is exactly what is required, your boots will have the sole length printed on them somewhere, usually underneath or just on the side of the heel plate. |
The reason for this is that some manufacturers sole lengths are different to others even though the boots are the same shoe size.
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ami in berlin,
As said, it is the sole lenght and you will have a centre point marked on your boot which will match up with a centre point on the skis for mounting the bindings........... centrally. Some people liked their bindings mounted plus or minus this centre point for reasons of their own.
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But I want to buy my boots after purchasing the skis. Does this mean I cannot do this?
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Sure, you can do it, but you'll have to have someone other than Sport Conrad mount the bindings.
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| ami in berlin wrote: |
| But I want to buy my boots after purchasing the skis. Does this mean I cannot do this? |
Buy your skis w/o bindings mounted. Some of the railflex and similar bindings you may be able to manage yourself. More traditional 'flat' bindings you'll have to get drilled. If you are buying boots from a reputable ski shop, take your skis, and see if you can persuade them as part of your purchase to mout your bindings. 
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Thanks. Makes sense. Just one thing, though. It strikes me a rather impractical. If, for instance, I get seperated from my boots and am forced to rent, I have to get my bindings remounted? Essentially, this means that nobody can ever own a pair of skis without owning boots first? And if I want to test out diffferent boots before buying, each time I'll have to remount the bindings? In a perfect world, wouldn't there be some sort of universal standard, or at least bindings that are easily enough adjusteable (and there are, right? How else would rental shops operate?).
It's not a major hassle, it just strikes me as impractical.
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ami in berlin, Forget trying different boots before buying, how do you expect this to work?
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ami in berlin, I think you've got things the wrong way round - you get boots first, get them fitted, and then when you go to demo skis, they have demo bindings that are adjustable.
Many bindings are easily adjustable now, but if you are switching from one boot to another, the binding release settings need to be checked and adjusted.
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ami in berlin, Many piste oriented skis are moving to mounting the bindings on a rail system (claiming that this offers benefits in how the ski can flex). these are fully adjustable along the rail - so all boot sizes are accomodated.
Traditionally mounted bindings (skis get drilled and the bindings are screwed in pace) do still have some adjustment possible, but not as much. Hence, the binding would need to be remounted to cater for large changes in boot size.
I've had skis with traditional bindings that have been tweaked without remounting when I've changed boots. It's likely that when you do the same the your new boots will not vary much in shell length from your old ones and a fine adjustement of a few millimeters can be made to any skis and bindings that you have at that time without needing to remount the bindings.
Hope this has helped.
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I realise I may be doing this bass ackwards, but again, practicality.
The skis are available now in the appropriate size at a nice price. And they can be ordered with a mouse click.
For the boots, I have to get down to the shop. This being Germany, judging by shop opening hours, you'd think it were still a Communist country. So it might take a few weeks (or a month) until I have time for that. In that time, I suspect the skis will be gone.
I'm very reluctant to buy boots online, and the ones they are selling are all in bizzare sizes anyway.
So I'll buy them without the bindings mounted. Maybe I'll get the mounting thrown in free with the boot purcahse, although again, this being Germany, people are used to getting the service they are given, not the service they may want.
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I have a pair of x wave boots UK size 8 Euro size 42 boot length 306mm..
I think most drilled as opposed to rail type bindings have some fore and aft movement to allow for slightly differing boot sizes but I doubt if this could cope with say the difference between a size 12 feet and size 5 with out re drilling but they can cope with me buying different boots of my size which may be a few millimetres different.
If the bindings fit on to rails on/in the ski then life is easier
a) no drilling
b) boot size adjustment it usually very easy
My skis have Elan bindings on them you just move these up and down the ski on the rails to get the right boot size no tools required fantastic.
The downside to the Elan bindings is they will mostly likely only fit well on Elan skis..
So not a stupid question I think..
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You know it makes sense.
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cfc5mu0, they aren't Elan bindings - they are Tyrolia, I'd guess. (same as Head & Fischer)
Boot sizes and sole lengths vary a lot, and then you go to a bootfitter who puts you in ones that are 1-2 sizes smaller than before.
Your boots are not UK size 8, nor are they Euro 42. They will be a mondopoint size - I'd guess 26 or 26.5. The relation between this size and the length of the sole will vary by manufacturer and boot model, so a 26.5 Salomon Xwave8 may be 306mm, but a Salomon Course may me 300mm. The Rossignol equivalent might be 310mm. The Technica could be 295.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I guess its too far to get to the sport conrad shops to combine ski pick up with boot fitting?
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| dan100 wrote: |
| I guess its too far to get to the sport conrad shops to combine ski pick up with boot fitting? |
Considering the nearest shop (actually all of them) is south of Munich, I'm going to rule that out. Would be ideal, of course, but rather impractical in this case.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Wear The Fox Hat, Yes probably not Elan although they say Elan on them!! So they may be they fit on Head or Fisher Ski's...hurrah
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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cfc5mu0, check out:
www.tyrolia.com
From memory... Tyrolia FF17 = Elan ER17 Free Flex
The railflex ones are RFD11 / RFD14 for Tyrolia, probably EFD for Elan.
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RFD look like them..except they have a kind of small plate in the middle that lifts (no need for tools) and then if you push the toe piece the heal piece moves at the same time..and all the movment gubbins seem to be mounted "in the ski" rather than on a plate??
But Ami's question still stands say he has boots like mine 306 sole buys another pair say with a 310mm sole will his skis drilled and mounted for the 306's fit the 310? I think yes..and at what point would this stop?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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cfc5mu0, what you have is the 'Fusion' system.
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Well I managed to sneak off work early to get to the local ski shop Friday afternoon before closing.
I walk in, look around for about 30 seconds, and the guy working there asks if I'm looking for anything.
"Why yes, ski boots!" I say.
He could not have looked more surprised had I asked to buy a space suit.
No ski boots on sale at the "Ski Shop Charlottenburg". Nope. He told me to come back in October. They'll only selling inline skates and such things now.
So if I want discount skis, I'll have to get them before I get boots. No problem, really.
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ami in berlin, order/pay for your skis from Conrad now but tell them to hang on to them for a few months until you get boots & can give them a sole length.
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skimottaret, 
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ami in berlin,
Yes but you don't need to actually mount the bindings - so buy the ski's get them delivered with binds but undrilled and then when you have your boots go get it all fixed up
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