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Fastman has written a new article

have a look here

http://forums.modernskiracing.com/index.php?act=idx
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little tiger,
He might have done but it isnt very obvious from your link how to find it. Puzzled
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little tiger,
He might have done but it isnt very obvious from your link how to find it. Puzzled


ok i'll try again

http://forums.modernskiracing.com/index.php?showtopic=114


is that better?
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little tiger,
Yep, Thanks snowHead
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Sorry, no, i still can't edge. Laughing
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SMALLZOOKEEPER,

that's OK... it is an intermediate skill after all Wink

keep working at it and you'll get there! Twisted Evil
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little tiger, Maybe i'll post you a video, perhaps you'll need to remame you're buddy 'Iusedtothinkhewasfastman' Cool
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SMALLSPEEDSKIER, are you edging your bets with this one?
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SMALLZOOKEEPER,

You might want to check his REAL name.... and get someone to translate the german for you!
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little tiger, leben eines Piraten fur mich. Cool
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little tiger, You think i've clicked the link? Or never encountered a Pro Ho' before as to be bothered? Toofy Grin


SMALLZOOKEEPER, ah yes you met WTFH didn't you.. he enjoys name dropping IIRC.... demo team.... blah blah... demo team... blah blah...examiner...

Me... I just like learning to ski well with folks that do a good job... I'm not fixated on the names and credentials...just on the job they do... Hence I have had lessons with many folks from many places and enjoyed most of them! Very Happy


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As Harry Hill would say, now how are we going to sort this one out?





I know - FIGHT!!!!!! Twisted Evil
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Or should that be kämpfen Sie Sie haarige stripey Fische und kleine Zoowächter???
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little tiger, as my ex world cup ski instructor would say... rolling eyes
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SkiBod, Cool

Wear The Fox Hat, Cool Laughing
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as in most of these spring time posts, what starts as something sensible turns into complete insider jibberish.... Perhaps instead of posting these highly amusing dialogues in the bend zee knees forum Admin should start a "for insiders only" forum
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I see Little Tiger has posted the link to my recent article.

This is one of many more to come on each element of the FOUNDATIONS of good skiing as we define them. Eventually we hope to provide many resources for our members to develop all these FOUNDATION skills in their skiing on their own. There was a thread here a while ago about ability plateaus people get stuck on. The most persistent of those happen when FOUNDATION skill development comes to a stop. The slopes are full of people who for a long period have been resting dormant on an intermediate plateau. For many of them, this is fine and they are thoroughly enjoying their skiing experiences at that level. For those who wish to break off that plateau and continue their skill development, focusing on FOUNDATIONS can be a powerful tool.
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FastMan, Well said, but certain people on this forum will never allow a good technical discussion to get in the way of their quest to rubbish others who are trying to help. I'm beginning to wonder if it was foolish of me to encourage my professional friends to join snowheads in an effort to have broader discussions and thus help the holiday skiers more. It would seem that being serious about skiing and/or improving your skiing is a cardinal sin for some.
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easiski, hear hear.

Granted there are a few folk who genuinely want to improve, but these tend to get drowned out in the noise.
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Those of us that do not spend long periods of our life in the mountains often only have humour, banter, and general titting about to get us through the day. Is there a train of thought here that would like to see "Bend Ze Knees" as free from that and just about technical stuff?.
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FastMan says in his article that "only a handful of the thousands of skiers I observe actually making high quality carved turns. Few people truly exploit the full mechanical capabilities of the skis they've purchased" and I'm only too aware that I'm not in that handful. I therefore look forward to learning something from the next articles, so will keep an eye on this thread. Personally, I don't mind a bit of banter thrown in and like the easy-going nature of the discussions on snowHead s (have seen very little evidence of 'rubbishing' myself, easiski) but not when it gets too long and de-rails serious threads altogether.

Just a view from that dreaded intermediate plateau... Smile
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Lets hear it for technical posts. snowHead

I read, digest, try (when I can get to the fridge) but don't always comment on sugestions/tips/methods talked about.

Please don't think a lack of response means it isn't appreciated.
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Is there a train of thought here that would like to see "Bend Ze Knees" as free from that and just about technical stuff?.


FtS, completely understand where you're coming from . I'm going stir-crazy at the moment whilst in the UK.

However there are many other sub-forums on sH's that will surely be more suited to more, shall we say, frivolous posts, whilst keeping BzK *relatively* focussed on training, improving & learning?

Granted we may not want this to turn into an EpicSki type forums, where one is completely anal about the position of your little finger, but I rather suspect that the current climate in here (18degC, 45%RH) is such that folk are a little reluctant to post pictures and videos, or ask about anything remotely technical.

So, as an attempt of a guage of the mood of the country, now that we are all one year on, if I *bumped* up my skiing myths posts from a year ago, would that bring about more questions and discussions? - Or would that be a waste of time?
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I don't mind a bit of good natured banter though my first thought re SZK & little tiger was "get a room" wink

I've found myself dipping in here (Bend ze Knees) more than I used to but I'd hate to see it turn into a wee wee-take free epic-like sub-board becuase personally I believe a lot of improvement comes from as much mileage as possible in varied conditions/terrain once you have built yourself a decent toolkit.


I also don't really relate well to written analysis and would much prefer video clips - for example there is a beautiful Doug Coombs tribute video on You Tube

If someone wanted to tell mere mortals how to do some of these steep turns in conjuction with the video that would be great.

The pursuit of the perfect carve/racing turn is not necessarily something that everyone is obsessed with so tips or new ways of thinking on cowboying, crappy snow etc are all also appreciated.
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For me it's all good. As a beginner I enjoy all the discussion and a bit of banter. I agree about the value of pictures/video although not so good for work.

Still trying to understand ILE Puzzled
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fatbob wrote:

I also don't really relate well to written analysis and would much prefer video clips .


Visual learner??.... sort of suggests a real life instructor/coach would be handy to me...

Damn I find them useful and I am the least visual learner you are likely to find - just ask Easiski or Fastman... I simply don't do copy as I see nothing more than a vague image usually... but just sometimes the images click or someone can direct my observations to a particular area of turn/body and show me the differences between what I'm doing and what is needed... Usually I'm far more into technical description and sensory input... but that is the advatage os a real live person ... they can tailor that input... this stuff is a poor substitute for the mind to feast on when the body cannot do...
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Frosty the Snowman, the whole purpose of the BzK forum is for technical stuff. A bit of good natured banter is one thing, but this is frequently not what we see. there are lots of other firums on Snowheads for the other stuff. Personally I never look at Apres Ski and only occasionally at The Piste and the Equipment forums .... Surely we should use this forum for the stuff it was intended for. If anyone isn't interested in any technical content then they don't have to look here do they? As you know I can't stand the minutiae of gobbledegook that gets spouted on a certain other forum already alluded to, but we usually manage to keep it both interesting and technical here. Long may it last. snowHead
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fatbob wrote:

I also don't really relate well to written analysis and would much prefer video clips .


Visual learner??.... sort of suggests a real life instructor/coach would be handy to me...

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Yeah but I don't like being told what to do either Laughing and I'd be likely to seriously fall out with anyone who had me doing one-legged ski exercises on my ACL free knee Laughing And I really hate that US positive reinforcement communication style "awesome turns dude" stuff - too much experience of miserable grudging ESF instructors as a teenager to believe it. wink

So having explored my psychological scars wink , I think following a damn good guide is money well spent though as is a plentiful ski porn dvd collection!
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fatbob, you made some awesome turns in Alpine Meadows - shame they weren't in the same place as I was pointing the camera! Very Happy

(That will probably be my last post in this section for some time, to allow those who wish to slag me off to continue to do so, and to save everyone else from having to read my thoughts/questions/suggestions)
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fatbob wrote:

Yeah but I don't like being told what to do either Laughing and I'd be likely to seriously fall out with anyone who had me doing one-legged ski exercises on my ACL free knee Laughing And I really hate that US positive reinforcement communication style "awesome turns dude" stuff - too much experience of miserable grudging ESF instructors as a teenager to believe it. wink

So having explored my psychological scars wink , I think following a damn good guide is money well spent though as is a plentiful ski porn dvd collection!



I can assure you that I have serious issues with being FORCED to do anything... I'm a PAYING customer dammit ....

The trick is to find those you click with...

I do tend to be pretty upfront about what I consider is too much to expect of me...

My canadian instructor nearly needed a recording of "Nothing is compulsory, EVERYTHING is optional" as he said it so often... yet he knew I understood he was giving me tasks he firmly believed I COULD achieve.. so i tended to try harder for him...

I cannot deal with the "blow smoke up your back bottom" stuff either... I like pretty concrete feedback... hence why i ski with race coaches more than any other sort of people...

On the - not everyone want to carve bit... I think you will find most good race coaches teach GOOD technical skiing... nothing special in that area... the tactics may not apply if you don't race but the skills are the same...

There is that american ex-racer is there not that has just taken up freestyle and is blowing them all away? His technical skills are just that much better...
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fatbob, you made some awesome turns in Alpine Meadows - shame they weren't in the same place as I was pointing the camera! Very Happy

(That will probably be my last post in this section for some time, to allow those who wish to slag me off to continue to do so, and to save everyone else from having to read my thoughts/questions/suggestions)


See what I mean about insincere US influenced comments Laughing

Don't see why your opinion and experience of some highly experienced instructors isn't as valid as any other punter even if it is from the land of the "phantom move" wink
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little tiger wrote:


There is that american ex-racer is there not that has just taken up freestyle and is blowing them all away? His technical skills are just that much better...


I don't disagree - many skiing "rockstars" have been through a junior/senior racer/mogul team/ freeski superhero development. There's a film where Daron Rahlves goes freeskiing with a bigname freeskier and basically sets a GS course down some pretty hairy terrain for giggles. The idea of going on a holiday specifically to run gates is anathema to me though. I also recognise the limits of my abilities - if I was retired/younger, lived in the mountains, had a social race scene maybe a different story.

Plus I get scared with the speed after about 4 gates Embarassed
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veeeight, I'd be pleased to see your skiing myths posts bumped up again - it'll save me having to keep searching for 'em Smile
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fatbob wrote:


The idea of going on a holiday specifically to run gates is anathema to me though. I also recognise the limits of my abilities - if I was retired/younger, lived in the mountains, had a social race scene maybe a different story.

Plus I get scared with the speed after about 4 gates Embarassed


But I have skied with race coaches for years without running any gates... they just use their race coaching skills at teaching sound skiing skills to teach me to ski better... in fact with most of them I spent more time OFF-piste than ON-piste...

I am not quite sure why people assume that having a lesson means standing around on a piste and that all race coaches do is make you run gates...

Re the scared in gates - I do it when you say the word "race course"... if we ask Fastman nicely though he can describe getting me INTO the racecourse and then trying to DRAG me away from it...

A little TLC and good coaching re general skiing and a clever trick re course training WITHOUT gates (no real ones in sight)... and hey presto he turned me from "Well I know this is good for my skiing but I do not want to do this" into "Hmmm OK now HOW do I go faster?"
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Perfect! Here we are at the Bend ze Knees discussing WHETHER we holiday skiers need to improve our skiing technique BEFORE getting down to the nitty-grity of HOW! wink
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Perfect! Here we are at the Bend ze Knees discussing WHETHER we holiday skiers need to improve our skiing technique BEFORE getting down to the nitty-grity of HOW! wink


Yeah OK its all a bit mobius band - fact is a lot of holiday skiers don't NEED to improve their skiing, they are oblivious to the fact that there are "better" ways of doing things because they are having fun anyway. And as the old saying goes :" Who is the best skier on the mountain? The one having the most fun."

Now everyone can say to me " so if you don't want to learn at least sit at the back of the class quietly so as not to spoil it for everyone else" wink
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