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Zag skis reported to have hit "rocky ground". Hope this is not a major problem for a certain LDA instructor.
[edit]Link anchor text edited, after comment made by David Goldsmith.[/edit] 
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Sat 23-09-06 12:25; edited 2 times in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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i think we may see quite a lot of brands either disappearing or merging with others, there are just too many ski brands out there, (currently around 29 available in the UK alone) it is a real shame if a good one like zag disappears into the abiss
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I have never riden Zag skis but I have to say they seem to be overpriced. There are still plenty of new mfrs. emerging on the scene anyway such as Amplid, Prior and Surface. Perhaps this is down to their quality control 
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That's a bit of a worry; I think it's good to have number of smaller 'niche market' manufacturers if only to keep the big companies on their toes. There's one Zag ski in the Snow&Rock catalogue this year - is that the first time that this brand has reached the UK mass market? Hopefully that will at least improve the awareness of the brand.
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Anyone skiied a pair. I like the idea of about 90mm underfoot and a small turn radius. It would be a big confidence booster for folks venturing into deeper stuff, although they may be a bit twitchy as a result.
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Thought they'd been in EB & S+R for a couple of years. They are obviously freely available in the Tarantaise. I've got to admire the guy for breaking the mould. Though I've never tried them I've always thought they'd be great fun. Maybe a bit of a Marmite ski though from reviews I've read. Sounds like over expansion not lack of market could be the problem. Drake Boinay went down last year due to quality isues IIRC but I think that was quality issues with carbon fibre.
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Who says Zag skis are in trouble? Achilles does, on the strength of a report in mysnowsports.com which is actually headlined:
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| ZAG Skis Hit Rocky Ground |
Maybe snow is thin.
The 'substance' of the story is:
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| So how come such a forward-looking market leader has found itself struggling to meet its commitments at such an early stage in the company's lifetime? |
What commitments? Financial? Production? Marital?
This story has an air of hearsay. Let's see some authority to it.
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marc gledhill, easiski has a pair (Zag Rouge I think) and seems to really like them.
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| marc gledhill wrote: |
| Anyone skiied a pair. I like the idea of about 90mm underfoot and a small turn radius. It would be a big confidence booster for folks venturing into deeper stuff, although they may be a bit twitchy as a result. |
Marc, if you recall Martin Bell was on a pair of Zag's at ESA - not sure which model but they were pretty fat underfoot with a 15m radius I think. He wasn't too shabby on them either 
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spyderjon, yes I remember, I'm pretty sure they were the 75's. As you say, they didn't seem to hold him back too much.
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| marc gledhill wrote: |
| spyderjon, yes I remember, I'm pretty sure they were the 75's. As you say, they didn't seem to hold him back too much. |
I'm curious to know what skis would hold Martin Bell back
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David Goldsmith, Original link anchor text amended.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
Who says Zag skis are in trouble?
What commitments? Financial? Production? Marital?
This story has an air of hearsay. Let's see some authority to it. |
hah well if they were not in trouble they soon will be 
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You know it makes sense.
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Not quite clear what you mean, davidof.
If they're not in trouble, and Peter Garwood has been give false information by the Zag employee he refers to, then they have channels of redress. They'd certainly want to squash the story like a Pistenbully and aggressively prove they are OK, I'd imagine.
If they're not in trouble, then the story only has wings if it's given wings. I'd be more comfortable with it if it had a bit of factual corrobation. If, as stated, Zag are in "cession de paiement" status, then presumably that's a legal status of the company, reported in the public domain.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| Not quite clear what you mean, davidof. |
It the story were not true then it could cause Zag some problems. If I were considering buying one of their skis then I would reconsider until I had more information.
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If they're not in trouble, and Peter Garwood has been give false information by the Zag employee he refers to, then they have channels of redress. They'd certainly want to squash the story like a Pistenbully and aggressively prove they are OK, I'd imagine.
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I imagine so.
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| If they're not in trouble, then the story only has wings if it's given wings. I'd be more comfortable with it if it had a bit of factual corrobation. If, as stated, Zag are in "cession de paiement" status, then presumably that's a legal status of the company, reported in the public domain. |
Given the report it sounds like they had cash flow problems. Quite a scoop for MySnowSports.com. It is a bit like Chapter 11 in the States, Zag may just need to refinance.
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Poster: A snowHead
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My snow sports . com does not appear to be available at the moment
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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boredsurfin, I'm getting it ok
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Frosty the Snowman, Sorted, my ad blocking software has blocked the site,
Correction, I could not access Mysnowsports.com or any links to it as that site requires information about my browser which our security package will not allow it to have I mistakenly thought that add blocking was to blame.
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boredsurfin, did you have to configure your ad blocking software to show posts about La Ros as well?
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Frosty the Snowman, See the correction to my post above.
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| marc gledhill wrote: |
| Anyone skiied a pair. I like the idea of about 90mm underfoot and a small turn radius. It would be a big confidence booster for folks venturing into deeper stuff, although they may be a bit twitchy as a result. |
Marc, if you recall Martin Bell was on a pair of Zag's at ESA - not sure which model but they were pretty fat underfoot with a 15m radius I think. He wasn't too shabby on them either |
That's right, they were 134/84/112, 188cm length 15.5m sidecut radius.
Nice skis for Snowbird!
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| Martin Bell wrote: |
| ....... 188cm length....... |
Wow. I've never thought of you as a short bloke, but that's getting back to the old days!
[edit] Can't believe I wrote that. Sign of a rather liquid afternoon. That said, I am impressed a that ski length - and I suppose it is a sign of different skiing standards. Very different in this case. I used to ski on 195s in the old days. I feel more comfortable on 175s now [/edit]
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| easiski wrote: |
| Fall line went on to say that "some instructors swear by them" - wonder where they got that??? They only sold 50 or so pairs. A |
Like the B2 is a "punter ski" apparently Zags have a reputation as "instructor skis".
I reckon they sold somewhere around 1500-2000 pairs of skis last season.
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| easiski wrote: |
| There does seem to be a quality control problem though (I'm on my third pair in a season) |
What's been the problem with them easiski?
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You know it makes sense.
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It would be a great shame if we saw the end of Zag skis. At the SIGB test this year we had great snow conditions for them (unlike previous years when they have largely been overlooked) and almost every person I spoke to about their favourite skis from the test mentioned one of the Zag skis as their top pick. I just hope that this years ski tests reflect this feeling of the testers and Zag gets the break they deserve in the UK market.
I love them to pieces. The H112 and the Slaps were amazing.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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ZAG have liquidated, finished, pushing up the daisies.................................... 
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Poster: A snowHead
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, do you have a link?
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Yes it is true. The achilles report has now changed and there is much more information there. Very sad fro Zag, Bazu and the others.
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They're likely to get the zag
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| ZAG have liquidated,.................................... |
I thought that wasn't till next month, according to PG's article.
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PhillipStanton, Delamination - under the heel binding on the first pair (occasionally happens to other models), and the topsheet on the second pair (apparently only on Le Rouge). this is more really bad news for small companies.
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| easiski wrote: |
| this is more really bad news for small companies. |
Completely agree. I wonder if one of the bigger companies will buy them for their patents?
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It is a good scoop from MySnowSports and should really make the Snowheads news section. I'm pleased they have been able to provide more information about the problems.
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| this is more really bad news for small companies. |
Zag are not the only small manufacturer to have suffered delamination problems, it is obviously a complicated business making a modern ski.
The big ski makers are also suffering from a restructuring of the ski market.
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Mon 25-09-06 16:08; edited 1 time in total
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| marc gledhill wrote: |
| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| ZAG have liquidated,.................................... |
I thought that wasn't till next month, according to PG's article. |
| Peter Garwood's update today wrote: |
However the liquidation process is now irreversible, and a place and date is soon to be fixed for the auctioning off of remaining stock. |
Peter has a pretty good accuracy record on this - so I guess that's the way it is.
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So, who would buy them?
K2? No. No need - with Line & Volkl they already have a good stable.
Rossi? Who are they?
Dynastar? Possible, but I doubt it.
BUT...
Amer Sports? Now there's a brand that might want to broaden it's appeal...
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FAQ
will test them at 
Not 100% sure which model, although my arm could be twisted 