 Poster: A snowHead
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@stanton, is the old Albona II lift going away? The new map suggests it is, but that other sketch shows it still in place?
@Toadman, Yes, the Kappl connection is next. Then what.... maybe they'll link Kappl with Ischgl. And then Ischgl will link up with Galtur and Gaschurn, the Schruns and Sonnekopf will link up, then Stuben will link to Sonnenkopf too... As far as I know there are no plans to do any this and it will be very difficult to get permission these days, but in theory it could happen one day.
I long for the old days. Even the queues for the old Galzigbahn on a powder day had a benefit - so long as you got up early you knew you'd have a few good runs before the slopes got busy. And it was quite good fun in the lines when it was just ski bums and all the tourists were still in bed 
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EDIT: @sah haha great minds!
@Toadman, I'm not saying it will happen, should happen, and definitely not saying I'd want it to happen, but... If you had enough money and ambition and didn't mind plonking noisy machinery into fairly pristine mountains, it would in theory be possible to link Stuben to Sonnenkopf to Silvretta Montafon to Galtür ski areas.
Red lines are where lifts could go to link into existing lift systems - granted some of them (Galtür to Ischgl, Stuben to Sonnenkopf) would be pretty damn ambitious and probably better split into two lifts and connecting pistes, but are theoretically possible if you don't worry about the environment and money(!!).
Kappl - Rendl link is already planned... So you could *theoretically* link the Arlberg well fairly well with Montafon and Ischgl/Paznaunertal to create what would almost certainly be the best ski resort in the world.
You could also easily link Gargellen and Klösters too (Gargellen connecting back into the St Gallenkirk/Gaschurn lifts)...
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Fri 19-02-16 17:15; edited 1 time in total
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@Toadman, On the new Piste/Lift Map (posted few posts up) you can see Kappl (Paznauntal) in the bottom left hand corner.
That will be connected to Rendl in the next couple of years
This graphic shows the Rendl -Kappl but also possible linkup to Ischgl
https://vimeo.com/147732741
In preparation for the Rendl-Kappl the current Kappl Diasbahn Gondola will be renewed/upgraded this summer (unconfirmed) to a 10 man Gondola.
There are a number of designs of the new Base Station this is one of them
http://www.jaegerdesign.at/projekt31.html
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@clarky999,
Never even thought about Kloesters too...
Nightmare!!!
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| sah wrote: |
| @stanton, is the old Albona II lift going away? The new map suggests it is, but that other sketch shows it still in place? |
Albona ll & Albona l 2 man chairlifts will be taken out. A new modern Chairlift will be built from Stuben upto the halfway point of the new Albona Gondola.
The Albona part of this project will not start/built until season 2017/2018 earliest.
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BTW. Its snowing in Zurs right now 
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@stanton, snwoing in Montafon too 
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Maybe 10cm at the top of the mountain. Much less lower down.... more a "sugar-coating" hiding icy moguls. It still beats working!
Let's see what next week brings. This week, esp Thurs, was insane-busy.
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Regarding the new Flexenbahn, we are considering St. Anton for a trip next year but the accommodation we are looking at is the Nasserian part. While its great you don't need a bus to link into the rest of Zurs etc it looks like its going to be a bit of a slog every morning / afternoon up and down lifts if you want to go over to Zurs i.e. an hour + the new lift? each way is just to open up the Zurs landscape.
I'm used to resorts where its fairly easy to open up the terrain (Val T, Tignes, Alpe D'huez etc) Does staying in the far right hand side of St Anton (from the piste map view) mean you'll end up doing the same runs every day to get across?
(We are fairly good snowboarders so can cover distance fairly easily - just hard to judge a resort from the maps)
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@Rob_Quads, it's a bit of a slog but being in Nasserein doesn't actually add much to the journey. You'd take the Nassereinbahn, then a short run to Zamermoosbahn, then Arlenmahderbahn and down to Alpe Rauz where the lift is. If you were closer to the Galzigbahn you'd take that, then the Osthangbahn then the Arlenmahderbahn. Same number of lifts, possibly slightly quicker from Galzig but there's not a lot in it.
Getting back home there's one extra short lift to get you from the main home run back over to the Nasserein home run, but it is a very short lift.
St Anton is not Tignes, it's not a purpose built eye sore, it's a village that existed long before eccentric Brits thought it would be fun to go skiing so it's not built around skiing convenience in the way a place like Tignes is.
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Haven't found St Anton particularly pretty this week. Lech has nicer feel. I'm staying near Stuben a nice but small village and perhaps with best access to both areas before/after the new lifts. The skiing from St Anton to Lech will be long and to Warth even more so! The ski convenience in the Arlberg is not actually that good. Zurs to Lech and reverse by ski are long winded compared to the bus although interesting in parts. You would likely ski the same runs each visit if going over. More likely you'd still use some buses. The trip also involves walking whether using the bus or not. The area is nice and worth seeing everything but this is not always easy. I'd also suggest that nearby Montafon which I visited last week has just as much interest but is obviously little known in comparison. The Arlberg has a lot of positives but also some surprising negatives, at least from my perspective.
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@Millom, I agree, it's not really convenient at all. If you are in St Anton and want a good day out in Lech then the bus is worth doing even when the new lifts go in. Warth is worth the trip for powder maybe, a bit less powder-stress than St Anton, but to be honest if I'm staying in St Anton I'm personally not going to be skiing Warth.
Even with all the new lifts if you want miles of pistes and "never ski the same run twice" type skiing then the Arlberg is probably not for you, IMHO.
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| sah wrote: |
@Rob_Quads, it's a bit of a slog but being in Nasserein doesn't actually add much to the journey. You'd take the Nassereinbahn, then a short run to Zamermoosbahn, then Arlenmahderbahn and down to Alpe Rauz where the lift is. If you were closer to the Galzigbahn you'd take that, then the Osthangbahn then the Arlenmahderbahn. Same number of lifts, possibly slightly quicker from Galzig but there's not a lot in it.
Getting back home there's one extra short lift to get you from the main home run back over to the Nasserein home run, but it is a very short lift.
St Anton is not Tignes, it's not a purpose built eye sore, it's a village that existed long before eccentric Brits thought it would be fun to go skiing so it's not built around skiing convenience in the way a place like Tignes is. |
I'd use Tanzboden rather than Osthangbahn, quicker especially as you don't have the flattish bit under the StC bahn to pole/skate along. Can sometimes be quicker getting to Rauz from Nasserein end as opposed to Galzig owing to lift queues.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Sitter, I keep forgetting that Tanzboden is now a mega chair lift and not a slow T-bar
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Windskisurf, most people would be happy to those 3 runs in a week (or even a season), let alone in one day. Epic!
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All these new transit lifts are for the one week tourists who spend more time on lifts than actually skiing.
There is more than enough on/off piste skiing in St Anton
alone without having to ride lifts (waste of ski time) to Zurs ,Warth,Kappl etc.
Next season we will see thousands of people
Heading over to Lech & Zurs which will leave (hopefully) St Anton empty
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@sah,
Agreed
Folk only have to look at the Malfontal fotos posted above to realise why offpiste/touring skiers do not want this luft to Kappl.
Same also applies to the 10man Gondola up to
Albona. It will attract far more people. Classic offpiste runs to Langen &Verwal/Maroi i fear will become regular itinery routes.
If people want ski circuses with autobahn piste skiing then you got France for that.
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Snowing heavily now. Started around lunchtime. Valluga and Schindler closed early afternoon due to Avi risk.
Maybe 20cm or a bit more on parts of Bachseite. Close to 10cm on the steps of our apartment in Nassereinerstraße.
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If people want ski circuses with autobahn piste skiing then you got France for that.
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Exactly that; or Ski Welt, or Saalbach (ask the locals in Fieberbrunn what they think of the new connection there, it's done nothing for them).
I'm not criticising this kind of skiing, it's what a lot of people like and enjoy and there's a good business in it obviously, but there has to be room for "traditional" St Anton style skiing too. All the new lifts will no doubt bring in more €€€ in the near future, but if they destroy the soul of the place then they become just another commodity ski resort judged in uploads-per-hour and km of piste.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@sah,
I remember years 90's ago talking to some locals who were adament St Anton would never go the Ischgl way. i.e 4 5 star Hotels, grooming over & building lifts up every possible peak.
There business model was tradition .
Unfortunatly they have drifted into the circus.
I can only see one winner from this & that is the Taxi drivers in Kappl, Warth,Scrocken. (There going to build a cable car up from Scrovken)
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| ulmerhutte wrote: |
Snowing heavily now. Started around lunchtime. Valluga and Schindler closed early afternoon due to Avi risk
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Not from Avi risk.
Closed because of High Winds over 70km/hr
Its going to be windy all next week in combination with a Fohn (warm front) which will increase the Avi risk quite substantially.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| ulmerhutte wrote: |
Snowing heavily now. Started around lunchtime. Valluga and Schindler closed early afternoon due to Avi risk
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Not from Avi risk.
Closed because of High Winds over 70km/hr
Its going to be windy all next week in combination with a Fohn (warm front) which will increase the Avi risk quite substantially.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I am sure you know better, Stanton; I am only going by what the board outside Galzig was stating. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Heading to St Anton tomorrow for a week. Hoping I may be able to get a good day of off piste in towards the end of the week - forecasts all over the place at the moment. Does anyone know if the piste to powder and powder club open groups tend to get fully booked well in advance?
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If people want ski circuses with autobahn piste skiing then you got France for that.
Exactly that; or Ski Welt, or Saalbach (ask the locals in Fieberbrunn what they think of the new connection there, it's done nothing for them).
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Comments, Espri?
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| musehead wrote: |
| Heading to St Anton tomorrow for a week. Hoping I may be able to get a good day of off piste in towards the end of the week - forecasts all over the place at the moment. Does anyone know if the piste to powder and powder club open groups tend to get fully booked well in advance? |
It's still holiday week for parts of Europe, and given the amount of snow that has fallen (and is still falling) today, I'd expect them to get booked up pretty rapidly.
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| stanton wrote: |
@sah,
I remember years 90's ago talking to some locals who were adament St Anton would never go the Ischgl way. i.e 4 5 star Hotels, grooming over & building lifts up every possible peak.
There business model was tradition .
Unfortunatly they have drifted into the circus.
I can only see one winner from this & that is the Taxi drivers in Kappl, Warth,Scrocken. (There going to build a cable car up from Scrovken) |
Yep, I remember that kind of attitude too. Locals told me when I first arrived that if the Feldherrenhugl t-bar was too tough then I should ski somewhere else:-) (it was a beast) And the Schindler chair lift really was only for good skiers, the run out at the top was steeper and bumpier than Kandahar was.
Maybe we should get some of those Stop the Brutal Grooming bumper stickers made up. Or should it be "Stoppen Sie die brutale Pistenraupen"
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From the StA weather report:
On Saturday night, an active warm front will cross our regions, bringing heavy precipitation. The snow line will rise towards a level of 2000 meters until Sunday morning. Sunday itself will bring continuously windy and spring-like mild weather conditions. Remains of clouds are persistently expected, they just slowly clear the way for some sunny spells. Bright sunshine and continuously spring-like mild temperatures are expected starting next week. According to the latest weather models, a following cold front will not only significantly weaken, but also be suspended for a longer period of time, consequently the return of winter is uncertain, if it will return then slowly.
It is sounding very "drippy" outside our window at the moment. Not good. Something more more common to me in Falls Creek (Australian ski area) than here.
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@ulmerhutte, seems to be a pattern this season, great snow fall then way too warm 
Still, better a drippy day in the mountains than a day at work etc.
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| sah wrote: |
Maybe we should get some of those Stop the Brutal Grooming bumper stickers made up. Or should it be "Stoppen Sie die brutale Pistenraupen" |
I'd buy one.
Did the Alpenverein get involved with the Kapp lift? They were pretty instrumental in getting the lift from Axamer Lizum over the Kalkkögel to Schlick cancelled.
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FAQ
I've always wanted to do Valluga-Zurs but as you know you need a guide or at least get on the gondola with one to get your skis up there plus the conditions need to be right. In the taxi after Malfontal i thought that was an epic day, then to get the news to go up and over valluga, i thought I was dreaming... 
