 Poster: A snowHead
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I will never eat popcorn again in my life.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Fri 29-05-15 0:04; edited 2 times in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Fri 29-05-15 0:03; edited 1 time in total
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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This concept of 'anonymous posting without reason' is becoming more and more redundant by the day, as far as I can see.
Anonymous whistleblowing may, however, prove to assist either side in the execution of justice and an honest/full resolution of Simon Butler -v- BASI. Don't do it here, though, as it could mess up the proceedings. If you've evidence relevant to the issues, maybe contact the lawyers direct.
Let's see this properly sorted out, without the cackle and crap.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| This concept of 'anonymous posting without reason' is becoming more and more redundant by the day, as far as I can see. |
I can see why those whose careers are over might see it that way.
Meanwhile those of us out in the real world where HR takes an interest in staff and job applicants' web presence have very good reason to use screen names.
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OMG @David Goldsmith, "Let's see this properly sorted out, without the cackle and crap" is the best thing you've posted for ages.
But Speed098's comment a few pages back that "Avenues such as Snowheads are the ones that offer full animosity ...." is a classic, brilliant!!!
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I can't see any reason for careers to end. As long as there's snow, punters will want instructors. Obviously some flexibility and humility may be required.
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I wasn't talking about ski instructors.
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I wasn't talking about ski instructors.
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Exactly. There are many reasons why someone would be anonymous. Not always what you think, and it could have nothing at all to do with skiing. Its the way of this forum.
On the other hand, Facebook has different rules, and asks each user to have a genuine identity. It is facebook' s policy to remove a user who uses a pseudonym. That doesn't stop people wanting to be anonymous, and there is a whole department dedicated to taking these accounts down. So, there is a need to be anonymous for some people. Who knows their motivation? Probably, it is different in every case. But Facebook is not interested in all that. That is the way of Facebook. Both places are different.
On Facebook policies, https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards?__mref=message
"By joining Facebook, you agree to use your authentic name and identity. You may not publish the personal information of others without their consent".
Some private messages from Facebook have been published here, as well as an id. Reading the above, they really should be removed if the user has not consented to their publication.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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As I've said on numerous occasions, anonymity only becomes an issue on this forum when it's used for malice or misrepresentation. The problem is that this particular variety of M&Ms has occurred more and more frequently on sH, as most recently evidenced by this very thread.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Sure. It is a big issue and different places choose to handle it differently. Maybe it will change here too. But while we are all discussing
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Some private messages from Facebook have been published here, as well as an id. Reading the above, they really should be removed if the user has not consented to their publication.
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@Malaise Meleze, interesting about facebook requiring real names, although I don't use my real name there and never have, it was a "performing" name - a quick scan of my friends list show similar performing names rather than real names.
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You know it makes sense.
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I would think that Facebook are happy with pseudonyms if it's obvious that they have built circles of FB friends who know their true IDs. From a user's perspective, or group/page admin perspective, this all seems to chime.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I would think that Facebook are happy with pseudonyms
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No, I don't think they are. Have had a few FB friends who have been made to change to their proper names. eg John SS made to change to John Smith Smythe (name changed to protect the innocent) and he had no agenda other than to stay in touch with friends.
But I would agree with others that on an internet forum it's just better to be anon to the googling HR departments.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I would think that Facebook are happy with pseudonyms
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No, I don't think they are. Have had a few FB friends who have been made to change to their proper names. eg John SS made to change to John Smith Smythe (name changed to protect the innocent) and he had no agenda other than to stay in touch with friends.
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I wonder why they made him drop the SS? 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Gerry, infringing one of Sir Lyons trademarks?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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New venture idea, i hear that Snow & Rock are for sale again, always an option.
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@Gerry, SS was a name I made up. His real one is FP. Thought that was clear. Never mind.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@SkiPresto, Good that the pm's have been taken down. This was the right thing to do.
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| Malaise Meleze wrote: |
| @SkiPresto,This was the right thing to do. |
Took a long time though.
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| @SkiPresto,This was the right thing to do. |
Took a long time though. |
Took way too long and should never have been posted in the first place. Shame on you @SkiPresto
EDITED: to include reference to the CEO
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| Malaise Meleze wrote: |
| @SkiPresto,This was the right thing to do. |
Took a long time though. |
Took way too long and should never have been posted in the first place. Shame on you @SkiPresto
EDITED: to include reference to the CEO |
How long & how much has this cost BASI to sort? Maybe Skipresto should be sent the bill.
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@stewart woodward, assuming BASI is covered by legal liability insurance, the costs may have been low.
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| @stewart woodward, assuming BASI is covered by legal liability insurance, the costs may have been low. |
Insurance is not going to cover them for time wasted whilst enlightening one of their members and convincing them that they made a huge error in posting some private messages on a public forum.
The costs of which @stewart woodward is speaking, is that wasted time and effort; which is quite ironic really when we consider how @SkiPresto keeps "banging on" about privacy ... like I said once earlier, hypocrisy.
Oh yes, and I also have to make sure that I mention the CEO in this post too, just to keep @SkiPresto happy.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I have been appraised that there was post by someone that suggested I was the person known as billy not a boy. I can categorically refute that I am billy not a boy. I did, however, offer a person a lift back to his accommodation to ensure he did not miss his evening meal due to the timing of the BASI Open Forum. So in case Ski presto thinks billy not a boy is Jim Davidson he is sadly mistaken. Sorry no coconut for Skipresto.
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Oh well, glad's that all been cleared up so neatly.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@billy not a boy,
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Oh yes, and I also have to make sure that I mention the CEO in this post too, just to keep @SkiPresto happy.
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Did someone mention banging on? 
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You know it makes sense.
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So now all the shouting has stopped for a bit is it ok to continue? I am interested in this comment way back somewhere on page 6 by
@skimottaret. If you are still around and reading - can you share anymore about the UK government "taking this seriously"?
Can you also explain or direct me to a link about how this all works, (who reviews? who do they speak to?, what is the process? how do they gather information? how do they reach agreement? etc).
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as a trial case for implementation of EC 2013/55 is a very good profession to utilise and one of the pilot professions being reviewed (primarily due to selection by the previous commissioner M Barnier). Regulated in some countries not others, safety derogation in some, multi tiered in some, the potential to invoke a Delegated Act using either common tests and/or common framework... I can say that the UK government are taking it seriously because there are a raft of other professions that will be reviewed and they want to get the procedures right and not institute unnecessary additional regulation.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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To my simple mind, any regulation of snow sports instruction is unnecessary ... beyond that of assessing one's ability to teach, and one's ability to teach the right thing.
I accept that there is room for a professional snow sports instructor, (someone whom has been trained in the delivery of instruction in this field) but I do not accept that skiing is in any way such a dangerous sport that it requires the special attention that it currently has.
And I certainly do not accept that there is a need for aptitude tests along the lines of one's ability to ski a slalom or GS within a percentage of a really fast skier.
So, with this borne in mind, I too am interested in the current EU exercises in this respect.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Malaise Meleze, the email address of the chap from the dept of BIS is on record. I have emailed and received a response but I'm unconvinced that beyond Basi and l4 there is much appetite for sorting out other issue's.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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This thread needs TTT to liven it up a bit
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@stewart woodward,
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This thread needs TTT to liven it up a bit
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 not the first time its been noticed that when 'the heavies' go away the thread just fades. Perhaps there is a learning point in there for people who want to control debate?
Anyway it was a chance to ask a related question that is concerning me. I know fights are more fun and this is boring, but until another TTT or skipresto arrives, I want to grab the opportunity to find out as much as I can.
@AndAnotherThing..,
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I'm unconvinced that beyond Basi and l4 there is much appetite for sorting out other issue's.
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Can I ask what leaves you unconvinced that there is an appetite? was it the BIS man's reply to you? Or something else? Before I also write in and ask myself, I am interested in the current view from anyone who has already been in contact.
I do see it differently. Maybe I move in an odd circle, (that is possible) but it seems to me there are plenty of people who, once they understand the issues*, are concerned, and would like to take this opportunity to sort out "other issues". I am talking about skiers, ski instructors and people generally who just have an interest in Europe. Hence my interest in @skimottaret 's comment that this is a small test area for bureaucrats to work on.
*admittedly boring, and industry specific: people only tend to look into them once they have been impacted by the inconsistencies that really do exist, or if they need to protect their existing position.
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is archived a new word for deleted?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| stewart woodward wrote: |
| This thread needs TTT to liven it up a bit |
Some actual news would serve the purpose.
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not the first time its been noticed that when 'the heavies' go away the thread just fades. Perhaps there is a learning point in there for people who want to control debate?
Anyway it was a chance to ask a related question that is concerning me. I know fights are more fun and this is boring, but until another TTT or skipresto arrives
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You appear to be confusing debating with inane pointless chat, who here tried to control debate? you do seem to think TTT was chased away rather than they didn't want to hang about defending their point when the SLIGHTEST hint that they were just making some of it up appeared, such a strong point they have eh well worth the effort of replying to them
And I bet £10 they are still here just not posting anymore
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TTT and skipresto, imo. But efforts to control or shout down the pointless chat actually make it more prominent. Counterproductive.
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Ah ok sorry I got the wrong end of the stick, and I agree about TTT
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I did think the 'outing' of an anonymous user (on a forum that allows anonymity) was a little naughty, at the time.
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Well I would agree if they were outed, i'm not sure knowing what country someone mostly lives in covers that though, it's such a pointless piece of knowledge and to take a flounceo over it is frankly more embarrassing than half of the rubbish they posted
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is archived a new word for deleted?
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Lol only deleted here though
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@Malaise Meleze, It was the response from the BIS chap.
My perspective is slightly wider than 'pure' BASI, as I hold qualifications from a couple if other organisations as well. I'm concerned that UK citizens who are qualified via HNGB's (SSE, SSW etc.) or internationally (say Canadian, NZ etc. ) or a mix of the above will be disadvantaged in Europe if the only recognised game in town is a BASI qualification.
I'll need to look back at the conversation again, but the answer was not very positive, and that's before we start talking about L2 or L3 qualifications.
Still, on the upside there does seem to be a hint that people are starting to recognise that the provision of Instructor Qualifications and licensing is a market in of it's self and there is more than one provider
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