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Going skiing with babies and family for first time. Is it possible for two adults to share a ski pass so one can stay with the babies?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Morrisvillemant, sadly no.
Can you by daily passes?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Morrisvillemant, in theory no, in practice it depends. If the pass includes a photo then it isn't possible, which passes have photos on varies from resort to resort, usually depending on the number of days purchased.
As @NickyJ, says daily passes are an option, they can work out slightly more but often if a day is taken off due to weather, injury, or just tiredness it makes no difference.
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@Morrisvillemant, some resorts ok with it. Others not. Where are you going?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Some resorts are reported to do a "parents sharing" pass, but I've not come across it.
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Even if the pass doesn't have a photo it's now the case that many resorts now have cameras and screens for staff at bottom lift stations to look for someone different using the pass from the previous / first user.
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@Morrisvillemant, depends on the conditions, which vary between resorts. I'd ask for advice at the lift office.
Welcome to Snowheads! 
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@mtsuit, indeed, which makes it a bad idea to try and 'swing' it.
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@mtsuit, really? THat's a level of sophistication I haven't seen. How can they tell if on day 1 you have goggles and a mask on.
I don't think that technology actually exists in an adequately sophisticated way to make it worth it.
Yes, cameras so the poor lifties don't need to leave the comforts of their hut. Yes images to compare, but only if they took one when you bought the pass or supplied a photo.
My recollection is that Chamonix offers non-consecutive passes which are not limited to a single person.
If there's no photo, they don't care that much so I wouldn't worry.
Season passes or photo limited passes, I would worry.
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@Morrisvillemant, welcome to SH. Here in Ski Amade you can buy a parent pass if your child is under 3, so one parent can ski at a time whilst the is parenting. This is the only pass that can be shared. Check the T&c of the ski pass where you are going. And whilst it seems possible to 'get away with it' is also possible to get caught as there are cameras in the turnstiles, not all, but usually the valley lifts and I know skiers have been stopped. Hope that helps. Ange.
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I've had friends do it, a couple of years back in resorts such as serre chevalier and la tania. It's obviously not allowed and you run the risk of confiscation of the pass.
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@mtsuit, really? THat's a level of sophistication I haven't seen. How can they tell if on day 1 you have goggles and a mask on.
I don't think that technology actually exists in an adequately sophisticated way to make it worth it.
Yes, cameras so the poor lifties don't need to leave the comforts of their hut. Yes images to compare, but only if they took one when you bought the pass or supplied a photo. |
The technology is widespread here in Austria, e.g. in Fieberbrunn and the wider Ski Circus. You also see lifties using iPads to check queues (out of their huts  ). Whether they can recognise someone hidden behind a mask, I cannot say.
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@espri, I think (!) you are conflating the
- well known and widespread technology of displaying the lift pass photo when a pass goes through the barrier and comparing it to a picture of the person going through the gate taken as they go through the gate with
- a novel tech whereby an automatic photo is taken the first time a pass is used and then used as benchmark. Which would be rather useless on days when the weather is crap when the pass is first used. And easy to dodge. And which I have never seen in action. And easy to game at least for a single switch.
Checking the Skidata website (biggest (only?) supplier of ski turnstiles as far as I can see) and while they mention photo compare, they certainly don't mention any "first use" system.
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You know it makes sense.
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Hubby bought a ski pass for our son a couple of years ago at the Serre Che pass office. No photo required, and they didn't tell hum they had taken a photo, but when son used it we were stopped as the photo didn't match. They changed the photo on the system and no more problems. I've been asked to remove my helmet and goggles at the bottom lift station in the past as my hair looked darker on the photo than it did in reality.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hubby bought a ski pass for our son a couple of years ago at the Serre Che pass office. No photo required, and they didn't tell hum they had taken a photo, but when son used it we were stopped as the photo didn't match. They changed the photo on the system and no more problems. I've been asked to remove my helmet and goggles at the bottom lift station in the past as my hair looked darker on the photo than it did in reality.
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Poster: A snowHead
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The Ski Amade parents pass sounds a very good idea, which other resorts could borrow. I imagine that it might cost a little more than one adult pass.
Grandparents are the preferred answer in my family and in many French families, judging by the happy scenes I often see of littlies having fun with folk looking too old to be parents.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Hells Bells, my season pass still uses the photo originally given in 10 years ago.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@under a new name, My passport photo is now 8 years old - and they still let me into the country.
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Here is a link, it's called Young Family Pass, and is the same price. Also, but separately, from mid March kids get a free pass with a week adult pass. This is for Ski Amade not far from Salzburg airport. Happy skiing. Ange. http://www.skiamade.com/en/winter/ski-pass/offers
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@under a new name, so does mine.
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Thanks for all the replies. We're heading to veysonnaz and we will check to see if they offer a parent pass.
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The French grandparents are coming but they both still ski hard!
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Take the English ones next time @Morrisvillemant, problem solved
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Judging from the number of times I have found the wrong persons lift pass dumped on the table by members of our party at the end of a days skiing (including this year at Ste Foy) many areas don`t check non-photo passes!
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| under a new name wrote: |
| Checking the Skidata website (biggest (only?) supplier of ski turnstiles as far as I can see) and while they mention photo compare, they certainly don't mention any "first use" system. |
My reading of the Skidata site is that photo comparison is exactly this sort of system:
"Individual pictures will be taken at different times at various access points.
All pictures taken on the current day will be available for matching.
For each day, the first and last picture taken of individual ticket holders will be stored for future reference."
I hadn't assumed that any automatic face recognition software was involved but rather that a human operator made the comparison. But reading the Skidata description, now I'm not so sure. But no matter how it is done, I assume this is so that tickets without a photo can be checked. Why would ski areas pay for cameras in the gates if they didn't have some use?
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@espri, my understanding is that they allow remote viewing and also some sort of evidence.
You could be right but still seems like very dodgy concept to me and I'm not aware of it anywhere in Chamonix/ Grand Massif / Portes du Soleil or Monterosa.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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But the critical point is, I think,
"Photo comparison is an application for matching ID photos to prevent ticket fraud"
ID photos.
I'm still deeply skeptical that it uses the first photo of use as the ID baseline.
Sounds also as though product management have too much time on their hands. I'd be astonished if revenues lost to switching passes were that great in the grand scheme of things.
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You know it makes sense.
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People have been caught - there is a post on here somewhere from a couple of years ago about someone getting caught in Bad Gastein (in Ski Amade) - do a search and have a read. I also know of someone getting caught in Dachstein West - it is possible and it does happen. Ange.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@flangesax, sure, people do get caught. Reasonably frequently, especially as it's often season passes that get "lent" as they get flagged for special attention (for obvious reasons).
But taking Chamonix for example, I doubt that the number caught bs the ~1.4mio skier days would't even feature as a rounding error.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Never noticed this in Andorra Grandvalira. No photo on the pass, pass stays in your pocket and you just brush past to open the turnstile.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Photo doesn't need to be on the pass. Most passes these days have a unique RFID chip embedded in them. Turnstile reads the RFID, pings up a picture of previous people using this pass. Lifty looks at the pictures ... and guess the rest.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Orange200, yes, operated by Skidata and the cameras are in the turnstiles, the valley ones. Ange
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@under a new name, this is the Skidata page I looked at, from their 'Mountain destinations' section.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Sounds also as though product management have too much time on their hands. I'd be astonished if revenues lost to switching passes were that great in the grand scheme of things. |
Well consider the number of posts we get on here asking about sharing passes and those dumb enough to try selling their season passes. I assume that is rather the tip of the iceberg. Plus remember that the systems aren't necessarily for Yurp. When day passes in the US go for up to $175 there is every incentive to try to share passes particularly when typical scans are only at the bottom of the mountain. ( though Vail who charge that much do seem to freely transfer credit between individuals when asked).
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I was "doing some research" on the Go Montgenevre site, and they actively promote the ability to swap passes between clients. I'm sure they wouldn't advertise it if it were going to be a problem.
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Friends we were with accidentally swapped passes one morning. She was pulled out of the lift queue at Schladming. She had to phone hubby who skied down to swap cards.
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Sun 14-02-16 18:21; edited 1 time in total
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Who's "Hung By"?
Some friendly ski pass adventurer who's unrecognisable?
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Friends we were with accidentally swapped passes one morning
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happened to people we were skiing with, too. Fortunately hubby was puffing along, not too far behind.... 
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By using someone else's ski pass you will invalidate your ski insurance
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