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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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franzClammer, not sure I can make out which of those videos actually shows you skiing. Hopefully not the one of someone sidestepping down a fairly flat piste! Anyway, the Tiger Shark is a great ski. My wife has a pair of 12s without the switch gizmo, and on piste she (annoyingly) leaves me standing on my Mantras. However she is really an expert skier. Before buying I would deffo see if you can hire some for a day to see if they suit your skiing or not.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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There is also your weight and height to think about...
If the skis are too stiff for your ability you won't be able to turn them, so they will retard your progress.....
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wot kitenski said + 1
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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franzClammer, Don't buy high end skis . . . you just don't have the skill to use them and with them you never will. Skis are almost alive, you need to 'feel' them so to speak, recognise the feedback they give you and respond with them . . . stay with an intermediate.
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Pain!
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gatecrasher, memory(ies) 
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franzClammer, FWIW my wife is a very good skier, I wanted her to try some (almost) slalom skis I own. She hated them, after two days we got a pair of womens skis, very similiar specifications, but softer, she loved them!
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I got a pair of tigershark switches after booking platinum skis for I think my third/fourth week on skis. They were like nothing 'd ever skied before and probably forced my skiing to advance as much as anything up to (and including!) lessons. Definitely suited me in that I am an aggressive skier and around 100kg in weight. They're definitely harder work than most skis out there, but can reap great rewards if you're capable of doing so.
In the aftermath I ended up buying a pair of Volkl Unlimited AC30's as I loved the stiffness and edge grip of the tigersharks and felt the AC30's offered a slightly more adaptable, civilized and cheaper take on them.
But yeah, as mooted above, definitely don't buy a ski like that without trying it over at least a full day first.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Masque, yup!
Edit smiley.
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Fri 8-02-13 18:45; edited 1 time in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Andybag, fair play, just into snowplough but already looking to nail a backflip. Respect!
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bobalexander1983, makes a very good point, you need to test a ski for the whole day on the mountain, skiing how you would normally, duration etc. A ski that feels fantastic and full of life in a dome etc. "can" kill you all day long on the mountain.
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You know it makes sense.
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I started on low end intermediate skis which I was fine with as a beginner. After several weeks on them I tried some that were wider, stiffer and longer (ooo..eer...missus). These took no prisoners and turfed me on my rear end 4 times in the first 100 yards and nearly sent me to the hire shop for the rest of the week. In the finish I got even with them and for me they ended up doing my skiing no end of good. I am just going back to something softer and narrower and it might be interesting! franzClammer, if I were you I don't think I'd buy something too advanced yet.
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Fri 8-02-13 21:18; edited 1 time in total
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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These took no prisoners and turfed me on my rear end 4 times in the first 100 years
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That's not too bad at all, Megamum.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Andybag, the Darwin Ski Club at play?
I hope your friend was OK...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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franzClammer, if that's you, I think they'd likely impede rather than improve your progress.
+ and please take this the right way, more lessons would be a better investment.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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pam w, ruddy keyboard!! 100 YARDS! It took me around 3 days before I was properly starting to master them.
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Tigershark's are punter carvers. They could turn Maggie Thatcher. great fun, you'll love 'em. Has anyone advising against actually skied on them?
franzClammer, BUT - why buy at all? loads of hassle, loads of £££ carriage costs and even ££ servicing costs. Unless you're a fridge addict it's stupid when good skis are €10 a day.
you may be interim but I don't think you're actually an idiot 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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It's amazing how much learning can come as a result of a provocative question
OK OK I aint buying them...lol
But thanks for the info I can apply that when I do eventually look at buying some.
I think I'll leave the choices to the hire shop staff for some time to come yet.
But it's nice to know what all the jargon & numbers around skis mean, spose it could be the difference between a basic Ford Escort and a BMW or a Subaru 
Cheers all
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franzClammer, here's my more than one worded take on the possible differences you might feel between a ski that compliments you "currently" and one that may not.
If you have the technique but not the fitness you can get away with more advanced skis in shorter bursts, if you have the technique & fitness then there is no reason not to buy advanced skis.
Stiff skis really start to punish you in certain situations, steeper terrain, bumpy terrain, heavy powder etc.
When on steeper terrain doing smeary rounded steered turns using skis that suit your preferred turn shape and ability, as you pressure the ski it will bend relatively easily and will track through the snow while still being able to retain a little slip to control speed & turn shape.
On longitudinally stiffer skis performing the same turn shape as above, and the same pressure as you are used to on the first ski, this ski will not bend so easily, so at a lower ability level you would have to flatten the ski and steer it a lot more to control the speed and turn shape, but because the ski isn't bent very much it won't track through the snow, instead it will jump and chatter sideways around the turns, a ski that chatters across the snow can cause the leg muscles to work very hard=pain!
A longitudinally stiff ski will tend to throw you around a lot more in bumpy terrain if they are beyond your ability, It can make you feel like your wearing concrete boots, the ski doesn't give to the terrain so it sends it all straight to you via your boots.
Certain so called advanced skis can be a lot of fun at slower speeds, a lot of punter slalom skis are relatively soft longitudinally but reasonably stiff torsionally, so they bend quite easily into a tight turn shape but because they are torsionally stiff, they can hold a solid edge when required.
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gatecrasher, The problem we have here is that franzClammer is strong willed and very determined. His skiing is a quite remarkable example of force over form. IMO he needs to step back and gain the subtle skills that will keep him safe and grant him a strong platform to build on. He won't get that on 'high-end' stiff skis. A week or two putting some structure under his sliding will prepare him for playing on potential purchases . . . dam, the alliteration is strong tonight 
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Masque, I totally agree, and I think he does also...IO tomoz I think? franzClammer, tbh whatever you get told, you will make the same mistakes as most of us have probably made, and it won't be very long at all that you will be able to tell the same tale.
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Cheers Guys
no time to respond am off to InsideOut Clinic  Back later
Thanks
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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under a new name, not my video and not my friends I'm afraid, just a clip I saw the other that that fitted perfectly to the thread. The sight of the bloke straight lining it from the trees struggling to turn reminded me of franzClammer in his prime only with greater speed thanks to the new flying machines strapped on his feet
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I think the best thing with our new friend is his ability to laugh along with us and at his expense, and that he doesn't seem unwilling to take advice from those of you that know the correct things to tell him. He is off to ISO today (I hope he has a great time and learns loads), and he has taken advice on the skis above. With his 'no fear' attitude and apparently latent balance skills if he is as open to listening to his instructors - and I think he will be I believe that he could be very good, very quickly. Me envious? Of course I flippin' well am. Good luck today franzClammer!
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franzClammer, Ask Rob&Scott for advise on what skis would help you most at this stage, regardless of buy vs rent.
When you do a single week a season, the economic case for buying just ain't there...
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You know it makes sense.
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Ronald, in fairness he has already several weeks this season and if that level is maintained buying might be more economic. Asking Rob'n'Scott is a good idea though.
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