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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I am afraid it looks terrible. Daft idea. How do you get any acceleration out of the turn?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I can think of nothing worse than a having a ski with a loose flappy tail. these look hideous, even worse than BBR's!!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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As if beginners don't have enough problems already without everyone going past shouting, "Oi, mate! Your skis are broken!!!"
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Nah.
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| Raceplate wrote: |
| As if beginners don't have enough problems already without everyone going past shouting, "Oi, mate! Your skis are broken!!!" |
From the site:
"On his first ever ski trip to Chamonix, France, several years ago, inventor Rony Shirion had an unfortunate accident that resulted in a twisted knee ligament. He could not ski for the rest of his holiday. On his return home to the UK, and still in pain from his fall, Rony visited an aquarium where he saw a shark swimming through the water. An idea immediately struck him and the RS1 ski was born! If a fish uses its tail to swim though water then why does a ski not do the same thing? As we turn on skis we want to feel that smooth transaction from turn to turn and that’s just what Rony wanted to achieve with his new ski. Starting with some initial ideas, he slowly improved the skis with a collaboration of experts in their field. Over the following two years the RS1 was developed into what is now a fully operational model prototype that has been extensively tested on snow all over Europe by skiers of all levels".
One for Dragon's Den perhaps?
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to be fair, they do look really stable
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Oh you're all such stick in the muds. Thank god for visionaries like Thomas Edison and Steve Jobs who were brave enough to break the status quo through innovation - the RS1 is in just such a tradition. 
Actually what is it about snowsports that attracts muppet inventors who don't even have a great high level snow experience behind them - anyone remember the Bulldog Board?
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Nice snow at Saas Fe.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Won't dismiss it out of hand until I've seen better videos.
Couple of things spring to mind though:
Interesting 'aha' moment.
Shouldn't it be transition before transaction
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| As we turn on skis we want to feel that smooth transaction from turn to turn |
The skis themselves look good.
1 trick pony for piste only unless you can lock them down.
The vids on the site suck. Put them on youtube or vimeo.
The skier in the vid has ropey technique / has to ski that way because of the ski. Either way not for me.
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Thu 6-09-12 12:29; edited 1 time in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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fatbob,
Shouldn't that be sticks in the mud.
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Actually what is it about snowsports that attracts muppet inventors
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..because they see how much we are prepared to pay for just about anything!
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Rony visited an aquarium where he saw a shark swimming through the water. An idea immediately struck him and the RS1 ski was born!
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Guys... be thankful Rony didn't visit Monkeyworld!
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You know it makes sense.
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It actually looks like, at the end of the turn, that the tails are turning in the opposite direction from that video, so just making the effective length shorter. Is that the intended method rather than making the ski turn-shaped?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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May as well go all the way and get some Rax.
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Poster: A snowHead
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fatbob,
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anyone remember the Bulldog Board?
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I didn't remember this, but I just watched some of their videos. I think I would have chosen better skier/boarders to demo a product I wanted to go to market, but ultimately this has to be about the worst concept ever. Boarding in hard boots or convert to skis that are too short with no poles ... I'm out.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Serriadh, I was going to suggest that they go into business with Rax - can you imagine a hybrid between the two? 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Can you have them in your hand luggage on Easy Jet.
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Do tell more about the bulldog board.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Ooh I'd missed it before but by his Nokia reference this guy is really claiming he has invented the skiing equivalent of the iPhone- I bet the big cheeses at Amer, Jarden etc are crapping themselves. Wonderful humility. Wonder if he'd like to caption the photos with what the members of national teams are actually saying about his product?
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Mike Pow, On the "expert"skier in the vid, he is either no expert, or he's having real trouble.
Concur with you, not a good look.
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I can ski like that expert when I'm doing my best Eurofartbag swishing so I resent the abuse he's getting.
Actually having reflected on the beginner vid a bit more I can see the point. You'd need to test over some never evers developing to confident parallel to ensure that it didn't just promote tail pushing and problems that would manifest when people got on a real ski but I can see a market for a specialist ski school ski (like the Burton Learn To Ride snowboards - flex too weird for a consumer product).
I wonder if the inventor even knew about telemarking but the concept is very reminiscent if how you can create a variable sidecut between the two skis.
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won't the tail snap off when I do my rad wheelie steeze?
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I went to the site yesterday and posted the link to this thread and asked if they wanted to join the conversation.
Not only was my question removed, but they've also removed any form of commenting on the site.
What did they expect? That everyone would be singing 'Hosana from the highest'?
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What ever happened to Rax? I imagine the M&A chaps at Goldman will be eyeing these two firms with anticipation!
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Mike Pow, Shame so many fledging businesses choose to stick their heads in the sand when it comes to feedback that might not align with their vision of all positive PR. Fortunately the snowbeacon guy took on board the global roasting he was getting. It actually looks a well engineered product, I don't see a real retail market for it but a rental/ski school market possibly.
I'd be willing to give them a go at Hemel if the guy is actually interested in snowhead feedback. The proposition that they are the solution to knee injuries is horseshit though I think, plenty of people ski having sustained knee injuries & most if not all WC skiers & ski porn stars have 1 or more major surgeries behind them. Technique and strength are the real solution.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| fatbob wrote: |
| Fortunately the snowbeacon guy took on board the global roasting he was getting. . |
Except that he's not honouring orders. I tried to buy one as a training aid, but he took my money and hasn't responded to ANY emails.
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Hi everyone...thanks for the comments, has taken some time to get back to you I know. The engagement on this is really important and it will help to make improvements so appreciate the interest.
We have put some answers to your questions directly on the website > http://www.rs1ski.com
We will keep you updated on what's going on. What will be great is when we get to the stage that you try it yourselves.
Thanks
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You know it makes sense.
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A bit more information on how it works would be useful. For example, which way does it move under what sort of forces?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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RS1SKI, Welcome. Thanks for the considered and appropriate responses rather than a defensive attitude. You're already streets ahead of the Bulldog board.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Yeah sure, will try and explain as best as possible. Basically, when you turn to the left the tail articulates to the left as well. It does not take much force and the tail will move to the side in relation to the amount of turn you are making. Because of the nature of the slope and the fact the ski will go across it in a turn, the tail also lifts. This means the whole ski remains in contact with the snow and there is no gap between snow and ski.
By the way, I did not invent this but I've skied on it quite a bit and spent time with other skiers trying it out too.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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RS1SKI, How do you see the learning curve for beginners/those learning to parallel on this when moving on to fixed skis and turning 'normally' as it were?
(Thanks for joining and posting here btw!)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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fatbob....Your suggestion of a session at Hemel is a good one. I would like to set that up if you are interested in coming along. Would have to be towards the end of September, but I'll try and get some skis organised for then.
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fixx, that is a very good question. Maybe they will just stay on these skis?! Although that's probably not realistic. For normal parallel turns on piste they work fine for all levels of skier, so there is no reason to change, but off-piste and moguls, then they would become more of a liability than an asset. Perhaps the skis will develop so they can be 'locked' down, already been looked into. Technically speaking, if a beginner learns on this and then becomes a better skier and switches to a 'normal' ski their technique does not have to change at all. So I don't think the transition would be an issue in that respect. The skis have been given to skiers of all levels from complete beginners to more advanced recreational skiers to try. The feedback from beginners is that they can turn more easily, as you go up the ability scale, the benefits become less clear. Although, no-one has said they make it any harder to ski on, at least!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| RS1SKI wrote: |
| fatbob....Your suggestion of a session at Hemel is a good one. I would like to set that up if you are interested in coming along. Would have to be towards the end of September, but I'll try and get some skis organised for then. |
22 Sept there will probably be a fair number of snowheads along and you never know some might even like you
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If beginners learn on such skis how do they switch to normal skis? learning all over again? What's exactly the point?
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22 Sept, OK. Let me work on that one and I will confirm ASAP! I'm slightly scared but if you are willing to take a look and give them a try then I'll get hold of some and bring them along. cool, thanks
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| RS1SKI wrote: |
Hi everyone...thanks for the comments, has taken some time to get back to you I know. The engagement on this is really important and it will help to make improvements so appreciate the interest.
We have put some answers to your questions directly on the website > http://www.rs1ski.com
We will keep you updated on what's going on. What will be great is when we get to the stage that you try it yourselves.
Thanks |
Welcome and thanks for joining the conversation.
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| RS1SKI wrote: |
Yeah sure, will try and explain as best as possible. Basically, when you turn to the left the tail articulates to the left as well. It does not take much force and the tail will move to the side in relation to the amount of turn you are making. Because of the nature of the slope and the fact the ski will go across it in a turn, the tail also lifts. This means the whole ski remains in contact with the snow and there is no gap between snow and ski.
By the way, I did not invent this but I've skied on it quite a bit and spent time with other skiers trying it out too. |
But how does it move to the left? Does it use the force applied from the boot through the bindings to move it? Is there movement between the boot and ski which translates into the movement of the tail? If a skier isn't putting enough force in the right way, does it not move? If someone is off-balance, how does it stop the tail from moving the wrong side and possibly causing them to catch an edge?
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Hi Never Summer. The ski technique is the same, nothing changes so beginners do not have to learn again. Perhaps, if the beginners like skiing on them they won't switch anyway, you don't have to. There are two primary functions - first, the initiation of the turn, either in snowplough or parallel is easier. Second, the steering of the inside ski from plough to parallel is easier. This could give beginners more confidence when learning which might accelerate the pace of learning. What we know already from beginners that have tried it out with an instructor is that they find turning easier. As they become stronger skiers and maybe decide to switch skis, it won't mean they go backwards in terms of learning...hope that helps?
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