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Skiing with a 13 month old - all in one or two piece kit?

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We're braving La Tania with our little boy who will be 13 months old at the time of travel. What's the best option for him snow gear wise would you say, an all in one suit or a two piece jacket and trousers (fishing style with a joined on body piece)? It will be more for moving around from a to b, playing in the snow, sledging etc.

Any suggestions welcomed as we're looking to try and pick up a bargain before all the sales finish - cheers Smile
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fallenangel1978, At this age my lad had a Columbia Santa Peak two piece set, like this:

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I know a few other Snowheads kids have had them too. The trousers are a full dungaree style but very importantly have zips all around the inner legs which makes them very easy to get on and off even over boots and makes nappy changes a doddle too. Then you can still use the jacket on its own too afterwards. They are always available in the sales too in small sizes Very Happy
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Thanks for that, we've been looking at another Columbia set along the same lines (and using your logic that we'd be able to use the jacket afterwards) but a friend that's skiied with her children looked horrified when we mentioned a two piece so we started to doubt it!
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I don't see why as long as the trousers are dungarees style I would say 2 piece is better (far more flexible) saying that we used all in ones purely because we found cheap ones and we at cheapskates Happy
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TKMaxx often has some cracking 1-piece suits for not-a-lot, but you have to take pot luck and hope they have something suitable in stock.

I got a stupid looking 1 piece for my boy when he was only a few months old, but since he was going to grow out of it so quickly, it didn't really matter that it was white with ears on the hood Smile
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fallenangel1978, what time of year are you going??
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This is my grand-daughter's first encounter with snow. She dived in constantly. As you might be able to see see she had a two piece outfit, which seemed fine, given that she wasn't out for very long at a time (the trousers were dungaree style). What you DO need is several pairs of gloves as they get wet very quickly. And good warm boots with thick soles
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Another advantage of a two-piece suit. When it's not cold, some kids get very hot.
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and sometimes pyjamas and snowboots will do quite well!

Having somewhere they can just potter with a beach spade is good - keeps them happy for ages, albeit they would generally need more than pyjamas!
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We took our daughter on a ski holiday at 10 months and had a two piece suit by Columbia and a snowproof polartec fleece all in one with zips from top to bottom.
They were both just as good as each other but as sarah said the two piece had the advantage of getting more wear out of the jacket at home. Would also second pam w about having more than one pair of mitts!
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we had a one piece for ours at that age and she was too hot so had to change into 2 piece.
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Go with the two piece and definitely spare mittens for all the very good reasons given above!
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How do you all find it 'skiing' with someone that young? Did you leave them with a creche or ski nursery? Did you ski half days and do stuff with them in the afternoon?

My boy's 2 and I'd like to take him with me some times, but I'm not sure of the practicalities. Bear in mind that it's just me and him that would be going.
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We were lucky enough to take grandparents with us until she was old enough for ski school. They skied too but were happy to ski half days and swap over the childcare with us at lunchtime Very Happy

My brother left his 2 year old boy in the snow nursery for half days and then did swimming, sleigh rides etc in the afternoon. He said half days were enough for his son. You need to choose a resort/hotel with other non-skiing related stuff for kids to do.
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Obviously you can't ski with kids that age - this is Lily a few years later. In a one-piece, purely because that's what we got handed down; she loved it because it was pink!

I have no experience of having kids in child-care in ski resorts, but if you're on your own, that's going to be pretty indispensable unless you decide just to have a "snowy holiday" and do toboganning, plodging in the snow, building snowmen, going up exciting chairlifts etc etc. That's not to be sniffed at and one to one time with kids/parents is very precious. but I'd be inclined to try to get a group of friends together, with kids, so that you had somebody to socialise with in the evenings and maybe share child care.
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We have gone with family (sister in law) and my parents on a couple of occasions and took it in turns to ski and look after Ellie, and we have done one holiday with Esprit. We are going with Esprit again and would highly recommend them especially as you say it will just be you and him.
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We are going with Esprit again and would highly recommend them especially as you say it will just be you and him

that sounds ideal if you can afford it. I've several times been in catered chalets with people travelling on their own, who have enjoyed joining in, in the evenings but also skiing.

Sorry - I am indulging myself in this thread. Another argument for a two-piece suit; much more comfortable for discovering the joys of French patisserie!
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Check out http://www.espritski.com/offers/

Theres deal for 16th Dec for £999 for 1 adult and one child, nursery would cost £289 as they only seem to offer 6 full day options.

They arent the only operators out there geared up for young children BUT they are the only ones I have been with Happy
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My daughter was on skis at 2 years old but it was just a case of a snowplough in a straight line at this stage and a lot of kids are not able to even do that at 2. At 3 years she did 2 hours of beginner ski school each day & the race at the end Very Happy
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The Esprit care looks pretty good. I might just wait till 13/14 season when he'll be 3 and able to take part in more ski-related activities. He'd be better off staying with his mum while I'm away if it's just 'normal' day-care while I'm skiing.
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They do take them out in the snow with the nursery to play when we went they had them playing with buckets spades and sieves in the snow like you would in sand, and there is nothing to stop you taken them out early and sledging etc but I know what you mean we didnt go at all this season just gone year and my youngest is two (three in just over two weeks though!) she will be skiing in April!
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I have to say I love these photos. Here is Ellie at 17months with her all in one we got



as I said it was only an all in one as we found one very cheap (I think we paid £10 for it IIRC!).

Here she is again 11months later (approaching 2 and a half) this time in 2 piece:



and here she is again 2 years on then (now age 4).

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NickyJ, snowHead Ski holidays with little kids are hard work, but do produce some lovely photos! As a skiing grandma with a piste-side apartment I am not expecting to be out on the pistes for much time this coming Christmas - my daughter and son-in-law can only afford ski hols with free child-care and accommodation. wink Her two will be 10 months and 2 years 8 months so it'll be hard work but huge fun!
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We first took ours when they were 3 and 14 months old. I was pregnant with my 3rd and decided that we would go on a holiday approaching it as a break in the mountains and do a little skiing if we could. In practice we used a relatives house as a base and drove to the Jura a couple of times and to Morzine and Avoriaz later in the week. We also did the site seeing bits, feeding the ducks on Lake Geneva etc.

Our 3 year old loved it and happily trundled round on small skis, going up the drags between his Dads legs. Our 14 month old was not really keen on the snow at all and in practice I spent a lot of time on sunny decks overlooking the antics of my husband and eldest son whilst supervising my toddler. They both thoroughly enjoyed the sleigh rides in Avoriaz though and the fuss and attention given to them in mountain restaurants.

After son no 3 was born we didn`t go again for a few years and then booked them into ski school, mornings only, at Avoriaz. That was a disaster because little one kept escaping from the snow garden to come looking for me and the mind boggles at what could of happened. On the last occasion he`d seen me, come after me, and the ski school had not even noticed he`d escaped!

From that holiday onwards we always skied together, and in very short order the boys were able to out ski me. (not hard I`m a fair weather skier!) It is amazing watching little ones learn to ski.

With the kids in tow when they were small we often took days off from skiing to do other things, or sometimes just skied half days and went swimming or skating in the afternoons. During the early teenage years my husband would go off early to the slopes and we`d follow later, due to the whole 'I don`t want to get out of bed yet thing!' I was very happy to also spend the morning in bed reading a book and looking out at the fantastic scenery.

They are now all grown up and very much looking forward to our family ski trip this winter.
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All these photos are great! Kids and snow definitely equal some great pictures Smile

I don't know why the horrified look, she didn't elaborate other than it would be far easier to get on and off. Our logic was if it's got dungarees with a zip around for nappy changes etc then we should surely be okay.

I didn't even think of TK Maxx for him, stupid really considering that's where I got my first ski jacket from for silly money.

Any recommendations on gloves/boots etc?

We are going 5th Jan so fairly early on. With regards to child care arrangements we have a nanny as part of our deal that will look after him and possibly another child of his age in one of the chalets. Really looking forward to seeing him the snow (especially after all these pictures!) and having a whale of a time Smile

What would we need to put him in ready to be picked up for the day? I guess most of the day will be inside with a few play sessions outside so would he just need some kind of base layers underneath that he could run around the chalet in or?!?!?

Thanks so much for all the help, I really appreciate it Smile
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These kind of boots are inexpensive and seem to work fine http://www.decathlon.fr/arpenaz-neige-500-baby-id_8156385.html

As for gloves, they can be very difficult to put on (but annoyingly, apparently very easy to pull off!). The kind which open right up are good. http://www.decathlon.fr/C-308402-gants,-moufles

Baby sunglasses are very cute - and quite important, though sometimes they just pull 'em off. French babies seem to tolerate their sunglasses and hats much better than British ones (just like they dash round happily on a beach when the British ones are moaning about it being too hot, too cold, too much sand, too sharp stones, etc etc).

I remember watching a very heavily pregnant French woman, beautifully tanned, in a tiny bikini, on a beach with a skinny brown little toddler. She had everything, for both of them, in an elegant beach bag. I had a fat white toddler, with sand sticking to the sun cream, and a collection of bags with everything but the kitchen sink! I felt very out-gunned.

Don't forget that a ski resort will have plenty of shops desperate to sell you stuff - so you don't have to plan for every contingency before you go. If the streets are snowy you can hire little sledges which you can strap them into - easier than a buggy.

Early January could be pretty cold, but not necessarily. This was Christmas - dull, but not cold. Ed is in a one-piece Degré 7 suit which I bought super cheap in a sale. That worked fine too. He was a great diver into the snow. One time he dove into the snow without his suit on, and was soon soaked and wailing. Be ready to spent quite a lot of time getting them into all the gear, then out of it again not long after!
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What ever gloves you decide upon, the old fashioned string through the sleeves jointing them together is great for stopping them getting lost in the snow.
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Mittens not gloves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Junior had a one piece for the first couple of times we took him - about 6 & 18 months. I can't remember what make it was but I think it was a good one from TK-Max or somewhere similar.

He did a bit of sledging, but didn't go near skis till he was four.
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yes, absolutely - and some of the ones for very little ones don't have separate thumb bits either.
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Definitely mittens and get the ones with long cuffs that go over their jacket sleeves. I found the short cuffed mittens meant snow was forever getting inside them and they fell off much easier.
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fallenangel1978, mittens with an elastic called 'Manbi glove glue' which is perfect. At that age (well just a bit younger) we used Bush Baby mitts and their matching 'Kosi Feet' bootees as our son wasn't walking so didn't need boots. The waterproof bootees were fab. We got them from Little Trekkers, can't recommend that shop highly enough for little ones kit.
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fallenangel1978, depends on the time of year a bit

cold winter- one piece

spring two piece

ebay is your friend

also your friends are your friends. THere really is no need to buy this stuff if you have friends with kids even slightly older than yours. We know as we are those friends and have passed on plenty of stuff.
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I was looking at those glove glue things yesterday and thought they looked like a fab idea! Some great suggestions and lots of food for thought, thank you so much Smile

Ed, we don't really have any friends we can 'aquire' cast offs from - we're the first of our group of friends to have a baby and our older friends have significantly older children and no little stuff to pinch. I've been all over eBay to see what we can find, no point spending a fortune on stuff he's going to wear for a week and then be stuck in a cupboard.

Thanks again Smile
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fallenangel1978, charity shops can be useful sources too - often have little-worn ski suits. Worth popping in every time you pass.
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These guys are excellent for infants/kids/early teens ski clothing: http://www.littleskiers.co.uk/
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