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Seperation

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I'm really bad at seperating my trunk and lower limbs. My shoulders flail around all over the place.

I'm trying to make a strong positive pole plant to mitigate this issue, but I'm not getting very far. Especially when it gets steep.

What are your thoughts on developing better upper/lower seperation. What drills are good?

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Here's an example, feel free to comment;


http://youtube.com/v/QCFG83CvZpU

*covers eyes and ears
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Bit tricky to tell from the video what's going on, but there are lots of things you can work on to improve rotary separation:

1. Identify a distant point down the slope and keep looking at it while you make short radius turns.
2. Hold you poles like handlebars and keep them facing down the fall line.
3. James Bond drill (clasp your hands together like you are holding a pistol and keep aiming it at a distant point)
4. Picture frame drill (hold you poles in the middle like you are holding up a picture frame, and keep a distant view constantly in the picture frame)
5. Norwegian pole plants (do pole plants with both poles on the same side of your body rather than just one pole)

In all these drills, and in general skiing, a strong extension at the start of the turn so you start to pressure the ski immediately helps to make a more effective turn, so there might be less need for your instinct to kick in and swing your shoulders.
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Cheers Rob. All good advice.

Maybe I'll post a more constructive video.. Embarassed
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Feast, you say you're making pole plants, but in that vid you make none Puzzled
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It's something you can work on even without skis on. E.g. stand facing forwards, jump and twist at waist, but keep upper body facing forwards, jump and twist back the other way. Repeat while watching TV. This can then be done with skis on, i.e. little jumping turns to either side (quickly becomes exhausting, but good for fitness and general balance too), and braquage - similar movement without the jump.

It's hard to tell what sort of turns you're doing from the video, but your shoulders do remain pointing in roughly the same direction as the skis. It would be easier to analyse from a different viewpoint. I wonder if doing the same thing without poles and while hugging yourself would help - you wouldn't be able to move your arms around to get the necessary balance and so on and would have to use your core trunk instead. This is something I've been encouraged to do recently and has made, I think, a noticeable difference to my skiing.
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shoogly wrote:
Feast, you say you're making pole plants, but in that vid you make none Puzzled


I know. I thought exactly that when I watched it myself. Bad example perhaps!?
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rob@rar wrote:
5. Norwegian pole plants (do pole plants with both poles on the same side of your body rather than just one pole)

I know the drill theory, (well, when I say "know" I mean I've been told what to do but it's flipping impossible without tripping yourself up), but I've never heard it called Norwegian before. So I googled it to see if I could find a video.

Couldn't find anything! Apart from this thread, it was all about Amundsen! In quotes, it was just this thread. rob@rar, it's just you that calls them Norwegian, isn't it? Laughing

(Can you do them? Have you got a video?
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shoogly wrote:
Feast, you say you're making pole plants, but in that vid you make none Puzzled


Nail, head, hit Very Happy

IMHO go back to less steep slopes and work on the basics of a pole plant, using robs drills, once you have that nailed, move onto steeper terrain...

Or as an alternate suggestion attend some spring/summer clinics in or outdoors, where do you live?


Cheers,

Greg
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Pole plant point duely noted.

On blue runs and on some reds, technically I feel really good, getting well forwards and staying nice and quiet. As soon as a red gets steeper or icey then it all goes out the window. The seperation goes, I get on my heels, leaning up the slope.

My nearest centre is Hemmel. But I normally get to Landgraaf a few times over the summer..
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maggi, Laughing Laughing we were 'doing' them a couple of weeks ago in the Dolomites. With rob@rar wink


(to be fair, "Norwegian pole plant" brings up lots of results)

Feast - if you go to Hemel, I'd recommend going to one of the clinics there run by InsideOut (ie. rob@rar & skimottaret) http://www.insideoutskiing.com/
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rob@rar, Not recommending your 3 pole drill? Wink
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tiffin, Laughing that's next week's lesson!
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I saw a junior ski group practising similar skills last week, they were looking very good.
Note the canteen trays loaded with snow





They idea was to get down the slope without losing the snow. The one with the least snow left had forfits to do, and he did work them hard. To get an idea of how he was pushing them, this was the slope they were using, the bumps dont show up that well Confused
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Bones wrote:
...Note the canteen trays loaded with snow
The Tea Tray drill with real tea trays! Genius Laughing
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rob@rar wrote:
Bones wrote:
...Note the canteen trays loaded with snow
The Tea Tray drill with real tea trays! Genius Laughing


I best tell the the bar staff at Hemel to count them!!!!
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Remove the glasses from the tray, and drink the contents while the kids whizz down the mountain on them - win win situation!
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scooby_simon wrote:
rob@rar wrote:
Bones wrote:
...Note the canteen trays loaded with snow
The Tea Tray drill with real tea trays! Genius Laughing


I best tell the the bar staff at Hemel to count them!!!!


The thought had already crossed my mind...
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Was going to add that separation can really move your skiing up a notch, really struggling to shake the wife off though! rolling eyes
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rob@rar wrote:
scooby_simon wrote:
rob@rar wrote:
Bones wrote:
...Note the canteen trays loaded with snow
The Tea Tray drill with real tea trays! Genius Laughing


I best tell the the bar staff at Hemel to count them!!!!


The thought had already crossed my mind...


I've used poles balanced on the back of the hands instead !
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anyone have any good dry land exercises and stretches to help with seperation , due to long font row rugby carreer ,my right hand side is blocked out and the hip rotation is very poor and would love to have something to work on to even things out Confused
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carbon_copy, stand on the flat side of a bosu, keep facing forward and do core twists with a barbell on your shoulders.

For better improved balance I've took to kneeling on a swiss ball with the same exercise. Havent worked up to standing on it yet Embarassed
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Bones, cheers . i will try that Very Happy
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