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Hi, my girlie currently has a pair of Salomon Scrambler 33Ws and finds them very heavy (both to carry and on her feet). Does anyone have any ideas on what would be a good choice for a lighter pair of skis (possibly with a narrower waist) that would be easier for her to use? She's been skiing for 2-3 weeks and can confidently parallel turn with good technique. Any ideas would be appreciated. Tah
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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lightweight skis .... salomon... it's too easy.......... 
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Atomic R9s are under 3kg in 180cm.
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Thanks. ise, being a little naive, do you mean that Salomons are light or that they're so heavy that anything is lighter? Please enlighten the stupid one...
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I refer to myself being naive of course....
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Might be worth looking at touring skis generally - lots of people use the R9s as suggested by Davidof but there are even lighter ones out there. Only downside - you'll probably need to get them on the Continent if you want a decent choice although you could buy online at somewhere like Telemark Pyrenees
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Sharkymark, ise was referring to the belief among some "hardcore" skiers that because Salomons are very popular with Brits they are for lightweights who can't ski, can't drink... 
To answer your question, I would have thought that in general Salomons are lighter than say Atomics, but the bindings make a big difference. If you really want to compare weights of skis the manufacturers websites should help, and you can find ski reviews at the magazine sites etc. But if your girlfreind has really only been skiing for 2 or 3 weeks and already owns skis then it seems crazy to buy more so soon!
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heavy skis, have their uses. I find they are much better at holding a line, especially when plowing through crap like sludge or ruts. if, as plake says, your gf has only been siing for three weeksn, I'd advise at leasta week or two more on these skis as she may find that she becomes used to them
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Sharkymark, My new Atomic B9 PulseW -feel very light in comparison to my old skis which were Rossi Bandit er..Lite. Salomons are heavy generally IMHO 
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Plake, I geddit now...gf went to Cardiff Uni: she can drink like a fish
Cheers for all the advice. I'll relay it back and wait with baited breath to see what she decides to do...
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Sharkymark, is she picking up the inside foot in turns? 'F'so, then perhaps not a lighter ski but one with a shorter turn radius?
What does she weigh and what length is she skiing the Scrambler 33 W in?
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comprex, as far as I'm aware, no. She's 10st and skis 150cm
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Sharkymark, I have some Rossignol Saphir skis that sound like they'd be just the job. I ski 150's too. Light, easy to turn.
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You know it makes sense.
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Bindings weigh a shed load. Is she using rentals upto now? That adds a load more weight. Cant see that much weight saving to be had other than that. And as for skinnier underfoot DONT DO IT!!
wouldnt compromise choice of ski just because its heavy when carrying it. Or is it because she makes you carry them!!
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2plank, bindings don't tend to have such an effect on turning a ski though, because the weight it close to the center of the ski.
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Tell her to hit the GYM!!! Get in shape to ski. Not ski to get in shape.
What level skier is she? Dynastar makes some really excellent skis and are quite light.
My dynastar legend 8000's are lighter than my scratches and my pocket rockets and they are an advanced to expert ski being that light!
My wife has been riding Dynastar agyl's , very light ski. But she is going to move up the 06 Rossignol B2W bandit.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sharkymark, The heavyest part of the ski is the binding. Teach her to Tele... 
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I'd agree with the other voices that say that the weight is in the bindings - I used to have Scream Pilots but the binding is so so heavy. Got Stormriders now in a longer length and they're much lighter.
Stay away from the Salomon Pilot style bindings if you want a light ski.
Cheers
BB
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the weight is in the bindings
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My girlie skis, (Rossi Saphir something-or-other) have special girlie bindings too. If you're only 8 1/2 stone, you don't need monster bindings.
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Sharkymark, My missus (a comfortable red & occasional black runner) is on Volkl 320 Gammas & loves them. They're certainly not heavy.
Your girlie may notice the weight when carrying but she shouldn't notice the weight of skis while actually skiing - if she does then a lesson is called for as she's probably lifting her inside ski. A bit of weight adds stabilty when blasting through crud etc were a lighter ski will be more easily deflected.
I ski on mega heavy Atomic Metron b5's & you just don't notice the weight of them when skiing.
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spyderjon,
I agree that weight isn't a factor and can actually help blast through stuff. I used to like light skis as I felt they were easier to jump round. It just wouldn't be a consideration now as the benefits of a weighteir ski outweight the light factor for me..
The only issue should be carrying them as her goal should be to get the ski weight to work for her.
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I think spyderjon's point is that if you're skiing properly, the skis shouldn't be coming off the ground, nor should you be pushing them around too much. Hence, weight oughtn't to be too relevant while you're skiing. (An obvious exception is jump turns, but there are very few circumstances where these are necessary)
I agree that heavy skis are a pain to carry around when you're not skiing
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How are you carrying your skis?
If you put them over your shoulder, with the tips forward, and the front binding behind your shoulder, then carrying them just involves holding the tips down with your hand. Your skeleton should be taking most of the weight. It is, as far as I'm aware, the most efficient way of doing it.
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Wear The Fox Hat, In my experience, it is where the skis sit on my shoulder (tips down) when carried, that causes bruises. Salomon Pilots for me are the worst culprits because the extra weight magnifies the pressure on the shoulder. They balance ok on my shooulder, but dig in. Worst is Salomon rental skis with the long tracks on the bindings (more weight). I say bring back Joan Collins style padded shoulders jackets 
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You know it makes sense.
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Snowy, you do not need to take your skis off the ground for short radius turns. you need to get more of an angle on the edge. similarly, in moguls the whole idea is to keep your skis on the snow as much as possible
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Arno,
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Snowy, you do not need to take your skis off the ground for short radius turns
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I don't think she is suggesting that you do. But in horrible, lumpy, sticky snow, you do, according to Warren Smith (name dropping here!) need to use "thigh steering" ie use your thigh muscles. Muscles being the operative word. If you haven't got them, you find it difficult (in my case almost impossible  ) so the less weight you have to shove through the grotty stuff, the better.
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maggi, i'd say heavy skis are often an advantage in grotty snow like that - they don't get deflected so easily
i agree it's hard work, but i'd say it's the snow, not the skis
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i'd say it's the snow, not the skis
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I'd say it's the skier 
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| maggi, i'd say heavy skis are often an advantage in grotty snow like that - they don't get deflected so easily |
I used to have K2 Axis X Pros. They were heavy, but they were great as "crudbusters" - cut through the lumpy stuff.
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A lot of modern skis are very heavy if you don't/can't sling them over your shoulder.
But generally heavier skis shouldn't hinder skiing as they are more adept at cutting through gunk.
If the user gets tired they are probably using too much energy getting them off the ground.
It is a fallacy that most jump turns require big leg strenght, the emphasis should be getting the ski and the terrain
to do the donkey work. Easier said than done, I know,
But I can understand why a 2-3 week skier would want a light ski and in this case I would think she is right.
As to what that ski might be for women, I don't know..... Might be best to work from a light binding to get the conbination she desires.
Hire bindings will be heavier than their fixed counterparts..!!
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Snowy, I just bought some Atomics! Perhaps I could sew some shoulder pads into my jacket just in case I need them next winter 
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| maggi wrote: |
| But in horrible, lumpy, sticky snow, you do, according to Warren Smith (name dropping here!) need to use "thigh steering" ie use your thigh muscles. Muscles being the operative word. If you haven't got them, you find it difficult (in my case almost impossible ) so the less weight you have to shove through the grotty stuff, the better. |
You'll incurr the wrath of Warren if he spots you lifting the inside ski - I know, I've been there. You will probably fatigue faster with heavier skis if you are 'foot steering', even if you are not lifting the inside ski. The idea behind Warren's 'thigh steering' is that, irrespective of your individual strength, you are using you're larger more powerful muscles/femur for steering rather than you're less powerful foot muscles/ankle joints etc when 'foot steering'. Hence my comment re lessons rather than lighter skis.
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huckingfellers, Ass, well in shape, thanks, shoulders bony because there is no fat on them only muscle, due to gym sessions
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