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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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queen bodecia, Lazy 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Nope - given the choice I rather have icy boilerplate than slush (probaly also to do with my skis though as they are like on railes on hard pistes but somewhat less fun in slush...)
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queen bodecia, ice anytime, slush makes me twist my knees  sorry I missed you BTW but I now have my car back, minus all the dented bits!
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Slush and sugar always over ice and boiler
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Madness. As long as you're talking about classic afternoon slush and not the kind of heavy porridge that stops your skis dead in their tracks, then slush wins every time. Skis together, sit slightly back, and point downhill! Safe in the knowledge that you can put in a massive hockey stop at any moment without your skis disappearing from underneath you (which is my usual problem with boilerplate!).
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Somehow I thought this might divide opinion. Myself and my ski buddies had mixed views too. My theory was that my skis (my own and recently serviced by Spyderjon) had better edges than their hire skis, therefore turned and gripped better on the hard surfaces and possibly my style of skiing is better suited to hard and smooth (no giggling at the back of the class). I found the heavy stuff very tricky, I have no problems keeping my skis together and pointing downhill, I just struggle when they hit a mound of potatoes, stop dead and nearly fling me over the handlebars. I'm sure I must be doing something wrong, but no idea what.
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Being a heavy person on race skis I prefer hard ice to heavy slush, ice chunks are another matter entirely and are likely to cause falls
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queen bodecia, I wouldn't say I had a preference for either, and I've fallen on both. On the occasions I've fallen I think it was due to not properly applying the skills I had at the time through lack of concentration or tiredness. 
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Ski in the morniong, board in the afternoon.
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I hate boarding on sugary slush. It's like you are dragging and anchor.
Of the two, I would choose boiler plate.
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Just back from lovely Austria and have had a week of both extremes of conditions
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I hope you had some decent in-between stuff too, queen bodecia. When I'm skiing boilerplate I prefer slush, and when I'm skiing slush, I prefer boilerplate.  But that nice proper sugar style spring snow is really good - before it goes proper slush.
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You know it makes sense.
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queen bodecia, I'm with you on this one, boilerplate for me.
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I found that, since going onto carving skis, the piles of slushy stuff are much easier to handle as long as you can keep the skis locked on their "rail" as I call it, ie the their natural turning radius, the ski simply slices straight through the piles of wet sugar.
I'd go for the slush.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I can ski boilerplate but definitely prefer slush. My skis prefer slush too.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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queen bodecia, Same as you boilerplate over slush any time, though think having learnt at Tamworth has something to do with that. And yes good sharp edges and trust them to the job is the way on the good icy stuff!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anything other than ice. I can ski it fine, just don't find it in any way enjoyable. Slush is fun, until it gets to the point where you stick so much you can't move.
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I have discovered that I can ski boilerplate if I have to, but give me porridge every day of the week in preference (ideally with golden syrup and evaporated milk on it!!  )
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There's a clear divide here but I can't work out what the dividing factors are. A couple of my ski buddies were amazingly good at the slushy stuff unlike me, but not so keen on the icy hardpack. I wonder what the deciding factor is? Type of skis? Skiing style? Level of fitness?
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queen bodecia, for me it´s definatley the ski. I usually use a 155 Elan WC SL ski, race tuned and edges set at 87 degrees, really heavy racing plates on them so they are very heavy, but they hold on ice and hard pack like a dream. If I ski the same pistes on my touring skis, Atominc Hubabuams, 168 weigh almost nothing I am all over the place, it´s a bloody good job I ski down in the dark so no one can see me.
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| queen bodecia wrote: |
| There's a clear divide here but I can't work out what the dividing factors are. A couple of my ski buddies were amazingly good at the slushy stuff unlike me, but not so keen on the icy hardpack. I wonder what the deciding factor is? Type of skis? Skiing style? Level of fitness? |
Skiing style/skill probably.
I'd suggest use of edges/edging and pressure management being the main issue - with edges however it might be either not using them effectively or not having sharp enough ones in the first place (no good being able to use them effectively if the edges are blunt!).
Adding to that if someone tends to use a lot of rotary (rotation) when skiing and not a great deal of pressure and edge in the turn they are going to find icy conditions very difficult whereas in slushier stuff you can get away with more rotary and less pressure and edge although too much rotation can lead to twisted knees and other unpleasant end results so beware! The most effective way to ski wetter snow for most skiers IMHO is a still a blend of the 3, namely good edge, pressure and some rotary or, if confident, carve (edge and pressure) your way through the stuff fast with little of no rotary movements.
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| kooky wrote: |
| ... it´s a bloody good job I ski down in the dark so no one can see me. |
Does the lift company refuse to let you go up the hill in daylight when they see your choice in tasteful one-pieces?
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kooky, hey, I could have stuck a URL in there
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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kooky, good point. Wish I hadn't opened that thread 
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It all depends on which skis. Well tuned race skis then I'd choose the icy, fatter skis I'd choose the slush.
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You know it makes sense.
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| ChrisWo wrote: |
| Skis together, sit slightly back, and point downhill! !). |
Err no! ski normally, balanced weight, DON'T sit back!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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are we talking european boilerplate or scottish boilerplate that you can see your reflection in HD in?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I wasn't aware there were different 'grades' of boilerplate. However, there are plenty of different types of slush from sugar to porridge to mashed potato. I don't like any of them but sticky mashed potato has to be the worst.
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what about elephant snot?
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Arno, sounds like a good excuse to go to the pub to me. 
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I hate both especially if I've bought a full price lift pass. As you get older you want it to be easier - nothing like that squeaky powdery stuff with full sun to pick up the contours is there? Who wants to ski through crap in a blizzard - oh, OK the keen ones do, but not me (anymore, BTDT).
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I'd much rather boilerplate than slush. I learned to ski on boilerplate, so that may have something to do with it.
I know I like my edges. And after two days mine need the burrs taking off them, otherwise I lose control.
And I know I get tripped up by soft snow (slush or powder...)
I guess lightweight (?) all-mountain skis ride slush rather better than do carving piste skis?
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Slush for me definitely. The absolute worst is the ice when its covered in rock hard balls of ice, some sticking to it, some not aaaagh
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| James the Last wrote: |
I'd much rather boilerplate than slush. I learned to ski on boilerplate, so that may have something to do with it.
I know I like my edges. And after two days mine need the burrs taking off them, otherwise I lose control.
And I know I get tripped up by soft snow (slush or powder...)
I guess lightweight (?) all-mountain skis ride slush rather better than do carving piste skis? |
Think so.....I have light all mountain skis, and I'm pretty light too
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Perhaps the terrain you ski most in your formative weeks sets the preference?
My first two weeks of skiing were powder days mostly (yes, even on piste). The next four weeks were spent in Chamonix one spring, so it was a mixture of powder and slush. I didn't encounter real boilerplate until my tenth week of skiing, which was a rude awakening and a very steep learning curve on mid-fat skis.
So, while I did learn to ski boilerplate, my ingrained style copes better with soft terrain with 'features' and that's where I can be really playful. Perhaps, as I experience more boilerplate I will grow to love it. After all, boilerplate is the new pow
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