 Poster: A snowHead
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Given the range of possible options on the second language requirement, is it really the place of BASI to define your competence or otherwise in a second language?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I think its part of the ISIA rules that (for L3 and 4) you need a 2nd language - so BASI is just ensuring they get people through the full ISIA syllabus
EDIT
just found this
The ISIA minimum standards
ISIA minimum standards for the ISIA stamp and ISIA card
2.6. Languages
The candidate will be able to instruct in at least one other language.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Wayne, I can't see it anywhere but do you know if they define somewhere what that 2nd language has to be?
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Touchguru, rumour has it that it will be getting much more thorough, when i did it was a simple written exercise (google was my friend ), now a 5-10 minute chat on the phone but the ISIA review of BASI's training programme flagged up second language requirement wasnt adequate....
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Thanks skimottaret.
I can speak two other languages fluently (Afrikaans and Xhosa) whilst speaking barely passable French and German
I am not sure that Afrikaans (although quite similar to Dutch) or Xhosa will be counted as a 2nd language though, which is why I asked the question whether ISIA define the 2nd languages.
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Touchguru, From my understanding I beleive ISIA require an alpine language so - German, French, Italian or Spanish is acceptable.
But I am not 100% on this and do stand for correction. I know they do not accept Irish 
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Touchguru, I am sure your "barely passable" will be okay... i dont want to over egg this just that it will be a bit more than a my name is, what time is it type of exam.
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Touchguru, you could make a case for Afrikaans, given the number of cloggies we're seeing these days. 
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Not just BASI, in the Austrian first level you have to be able to teach* in German and English
*Very lenient though, you can get by just by knowing the terms, body parts and simple instructions like "bend the knees more" or "skis parallel," and they gave us a book with translations of many common phrases we might need to use. I think the English test for the German speakers was a little more stringent though.
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Thanks for the information guys.
I am in no rush, as still have a fair bit to do before attempting ISIA.
It is just good to know what the expectations are so that I can justify spending more time in France and Austria perfecting my language skills!! 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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sterkte Touchguru, hoop dit gaan goed met jou training.
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| boardiac wrote: |
| sterkte Touchguru, hoop dit gaan goed met jou training. |
Dankie boet
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You know it makes sense.
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I think Gaelic should be an option ... after all the signs at the Scottish ski areas are all in English and Gaelic these days 
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Wed 20-10-10 13:33; edited 1 time in total
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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roga, Gay lic, is that a batty language?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I would have thought Afrikaans would be acceptable as a second language. Probably comprehensible to all Dutch and many Belgian skiers? And there are masses of both. Xhosa might be pushing it....
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| pam w wrote: |
| Xhosa might be pushing it.... |
I agree entirely pamw. I was just using this as an example to understand the specified languages and that it couldn't just be any language.
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Very good Alastair Pink
pam w, Are you sure she was Xhosa? I would have thought that the person you would have driven would more than likely have been a Zulu, Venda or Sotho speaker (Just based on where in the country you were travelling)
This from the BASI website:
'The time of old workbooks is over! The second language test is now a verbal test aiming at assessing BASI members’ communication skills in French, German, Spanish and Italian. This can be done either over the phone or in person with a member of staff or a trainer. The assessor will be bilingual or/and have a degree in the chosen language to be tested.'
So it appears you have a choice of 4 languages
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You can have English as your second language - lots of Italians (and 1 Russian) I know in BASI have this
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Touchguru, I don't think the ISIA define the language requirements as such. BASI limit the choice of languages for two reasons - firstly the primary need for second language skills is safety, i.e. being able to communicate with the ski patrol. Secondly, there has to be a means of assessment, so BASI need a reliable assessor who's competent in the second language.
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rumour has it that it will be getting much more thorough
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I think that's just rumour, there are no plans to make it any harder than it currently is.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Touchguru, yes, she was Xhosa. I don't remember quite how we came to be travelling together, but I was doing a short spell at Wits Uni at the time and I think she was an associate of Jonathan Paton's. He was living in Johannesburg at the time, but I think it was a family link (Alan Paton was Durban based). It was a long time ago (1969 I think).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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pam w, that would have have been a really interesting time to be in South Africa with the Patons.
Thanks beanie1
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