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3D lift map. What is it like?

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The SkiWelt Wilder Kaiser - Brixental is the first ski region in Austria to offer its guests a 3D pocket sized lift map.

A three dimensional view of the Ski area in reuseable, water proof pocket size. The new MountMap of the SkiWelt is the most progressive, portable lift map available.

Made of stable, re-useable plastic, it can be folded to pocket size. Each design is patented and gives a pop up version of the whole ski region in 3D format.

(www.skiwelt.at)

I have not had a chance to ski with a 3D piste map so far. Has anybody seen anything like this?
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kerekip, Being a bit short of sight I do like big scale maps. Also being a man I can read the map witohout spinning it through 180 degrees. Would not be of interest to me but would like to see one.
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 Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
I used a pop up 3V's one in January and it was ok, but I spose it the novelty value really, a normal lift map is just as good! Bonus - its waterproof so doesnt get all soggy as the week goes on!
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People occasionally (quite rarely, in fact) suggest skiing with

3D glasses, but it doesn't work unless you're on red or blue runs.
X-ray specs can be useful if you're accident-prone.
As for these 3D maps, I personally prefer to ski with a small plaster relief model of the area in question.
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Head up display (HUD) built into goggles to superimpose the names of the lifts/runs (and restaurants) against the actual terrain has to be the answer.
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Frosty the Snowman, you lightweight. Maps and instructions are for girls and poofs! Very Happy
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I was offered a 3d holographic lift map cheap but I couldn't get it to work properly - the only thing it would project was some garbled half message of a girl in white looking for a Ben Kenobi!? Anyone know him?!
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I saw a couple at the Ski show in October. They looked pretty funky and fairly easy to use. The waterproofing is a bonus.
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This company are developing 3D lift maps for several resorts www.mountmaps.com
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There was a very nice 3D lift map in the Val d'Isere tourist office recently. Perhaps a bit bit big and a bit heavy to take out onto the pistes. But really nice to study the layout of the mountains. Perhaps it would be manageable for a group if they left the perspex covers behind.
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kerekip wrote:


.......Made of stable, re-useable plastic, it can be folded to pocket size. Each design is patented and gives a pop up version of the whole ski region in 3D format.


Just reminded me of this from "ski.ing" by Beard & McKie :

"Trail [piste] Map
An accurately scaled, color-coded representation of the layout and location of all the trails, lifts and other facilities of the area you are skiing, printed on a sheet of durable, foldable glossy paper that is in the pocket of an article of clothing you decided not to wear today"
Very Happy Very Happy
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kevinrhead, thanks very much.
Now I know how a 3D piste map may look like. The 3D map of Ski Welt and 3Valleys is on the site.
Isn't it exaggeration to call these maps 3D?
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Kramer, Of course I was referring to the 5 minute glance at the map on the transfer bus, but point taken
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
I like maps and I carry one but agree with Kramer on this. Only of use for last lift connections, that sort of thing.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
What's with the macho cr@p? In a place as big as 3V with low visibility you can end up way off course and miss the last lift. Can't see anything wrong with knowing where you are. You woudn't think it clever to go touring without a map.
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Maps and instructions are for girls and poofs! Very Happy

That's a laugh! Sine when did girls read maps or instructions? Twisted Evil snowHead (wouldn't know about the other Little Angel )
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Maps? Simply ask a passing pisteur, piste patrol, ski instuctor, guide, or liftie, you know those really helpful people who are employed to enable our enjoyment of their mountain(s).
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kerekip, How much more 3d do you want? they pop up dont they?!
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JT wrote:
I like maps and I carry one but agree with Kramer on this. Only of use for last lift connections, that sort of thing.


in that case a 4D one would be more useful.
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skanky, like it! Laughing
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Nadenoodlee, yes they pop up fine. Only the name sounds strage to me. I got a copy of piste plan from all the resort I have visited.
From now I will call them 2D.
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kerekip, I've got a 3D 3V piste map.....we only really used it to plot where we'd been that day over a beer in the bar! It was fun for that...but it's too bulky to be really useful on the mountain.....we did find it useful for plotting a route out of Mottaret - we got pretty stuck in there one day and used the map to make sure it didn't happen again!
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laundryman wrote:
Head up display (HUD) built into goggles to superimpose the names of the lifts/runs (and restaurants) against the actual terrain has to be the answer.


Cool Cool Maybe they could incorporate HUD into these babies. Awesome wink
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Like most snowHead that were in the 3V this season saw it and I think one or two in the group bought one, to be honest I would agree with the thread that it is a novelty and the traditional one is just as good, provided that you can read maps wink (a dig at a couple in our group, sorry girls Blush )
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I know I'm old fashioned, but why not produce a conventional flat map with contours ? That would not exaggerate perspective, distance or steepness.

The Good Ski Guide used to have 'proper' maps of each resort. Whilst not as pictureqsue or colourful as the perspective maps, they were much more useful in planning routes and understanding the true steepness of a run, its real length and its relationship to the rest of the system.

Unfortunately about 10 years ago they dumbed their maps down and simply copied the standard piste map, from which it is now impossible to compare resorts objectively.
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Peter S, yeah, I've always pondered that too. It's not like good ordnance maps for every country don't already exist - resort management just has to nab one from the local authority, plot a few black/red/blue/green lines on it & hey presto! Instant indication of where's steep & where's not. Which may actually be why they haven't already done it..... Shocked
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I saw a couple at the Ski Show - looked useful as a Christmas novelty gift for the keen skier in your life, but pretty much hopeless for use on the mountain.
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Peter S,

Agree they were much better and should not have changed them IMO.

I love looking at maps and one look at one and I can get my bearings very easily and I'd far rather look at an O/S than the piste maps.
I have quite a photographic memory for maps so carry a piste map just in case.
If you are out for the day then you will have planned over the map the previous evening with the people involved.
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love maps, 3D sounds awesome, but i haven't seen one. Mind you, after skiing a week a season for 3 seasons at La Clusaz, I don't need a piste map! If I could ski better I could be a guide. I wish...
Laundryman, heads up display is definitely the way to go!
Julia xx
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You know it makes sense.
I've just got the 3V 3D map. Pretty useless for actually finding your way around on the ground, I'd imagine, but quite good for getting a picture of where you're going, especially in a large area like the 3V.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
For skiing in whiteouts I've found a ping pong ball to be a handy pocket sized representation. Laughing
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Scarpa, Laughing Yes, they were also used by the first explorers to navigate with during the last iceage, but fell into disuse for not being flat enough.

Not sure how much use I'd have for a pop-up 3D piste map. Now a pop-up 3D piste.....Roll on the holodeck!
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