 Poster: A snowHead
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Did anybody get the new model Strolz boots this year? I did. Comfortable, but the buckles are are disaster IMHO. The micro-adjustment is fiddly at the best of times, but worse is that a key component keeps breaking. It has a rubber piece that keeps the buckle loop in place - broke 3 of them in a month. The guys at Strolz admitted that it was a problem and should be fixed next year. Apparently they are re-desgining the buckle assembly and will retro-fit it next year for free. Given they only release a new model every 10 years, you have to wonder how they got it so wrong.
I also got a lesson in "not all Strolz boot-fitters are the same". The gentleman who did my boots this year really knew his stuff and, for the first time, I have a boot that fits really, really well, as opposed to just being a good fit.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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There we go, a bootfitter is the key, Strolz are only as good as the guy fitting them and to be honest are no better than any other product or brand out there.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Ulmerhutte, you live in Melbourne like myself. I assume by your post and user name that you got your latest boots in Lech or Zurs. Where have got your previous Strolz boots. Have you ever got any from Larry Adler's, Gebi's at Falls or some guy at Buller.
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Got both the preceding pair and the current pair from their Zurs shop.
FYI: Gebi no longer owns the store at Falls - he retired and it was bought by the lift company. AFAIK, they no longer stock Strolz.
Smallzookeeper - no argument. Boot fitting experience and skill is key.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| ulmerhutte wrote: |
Got both the preceding pair and the current pair from their Zurs shop.
FYI: Gebi no longer owns the store at Falls - he retired and it was bought by the lift company. AFAIK, they no longer stock Strolz.
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Do you know if there is anyone doing Strolz boots in Victoria or is Larry Adler the only shop in Australia.
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Shame re the buckle but they are awesome boots all the same. Mine were done by the 2 top fitters Dietmar and Frank. Perfecto!
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Just shows you that looks can be deceptive. I thought the new buckles looked much better than the previous models. Mine are just over 2 years old and had a very small problem with one buckle, which Sport Alber in St Anton kindly replaced free of charge this year. The buckles really are a bit of an issue and would have thought the new ones much better than the old ones. I absolutely love mine - the fit is perfect - but just wish the buckles were more substantial
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| ulmerhutte wrote: |
I also got a lesson in "not all Strolz boot-fitters are the same". The gentleman who did my boots this year really knew his stuff and, for the first time, I have a boot that fits really, really well, as opposed to just being a good fit. |
So did you get the gentleman's name so that we all know who to make our appointment with in Zurs?
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| weeSKI wrote: |
| Shame re the buckle but they are awesome boots all the same. Mine were done by the 2 top fitters Dietmar and Frank. Perfecto! |
Dietmar and Frank work out of which store?
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I had some Strolz ten years ago; then they came with a walking mechanism which either froze most of the time or its spring jumped out; the buckles also broke a lot! Fitwise they were very good for 2 years then the shape of my foot must have changed and the boots became extremely painful to wear. I binned them.
I was wondering whether they have been any changes in the foam they use nowadays...is it still a one time deal or can you make adjustments to the mould/foam over the years? When I was in St Anton last year a guy (ex Strolz) at the Jennewein shop claimed that they (J) do a foam which can be remoulded.
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Abominable: AFAIK, Larry Adler is now the only Strolz rep in Aus. The "Wizard of Zurs Strolz" is Manfred. He seriously knows his stuff.
snowman: Jennewein and Head have got together to make a foamed liner. It looked impressive, but have not heard any user reports. Was told that Roland at their main store (at Terminal West) is a pretty damn good boot fitter.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Regarding the clip problem on the new Strolz boots they have now been modified. You can get them repaired at Glide n Slide in Otley west yorkshire. Strolz are available in Great Britain check out www.strolz.co.uk
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As are many other ranges of ski boots with injection liners and footbeds.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Are they really a new Strolz model or have they just been Tangoed? The old model Strolz had buckle problems too, maybe it's a trademark. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Completly redesigned shell with larger toe box new clips with micro adjust.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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any photos?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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strolz, "Strolz custom ski boots are the only customised orthopaedic ski boots available and each pair crafted are completely unique to the anatomy of your foot." quite a bold statement, I beg to differ.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Completly redesigned shell with larger toe box new clips with micro adjust.
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But aren't they all 100% custom made???
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, is there a suit analogy to be made here? Strolz appear to be claiming the same as a bespoke suit i.e. base cloth cut specifically to the customers measurements. Other boots (and bootfitters) seem to be the equivalent of off the peg or ready to wear i.e. suits pre-made to general measurements but tweaked where required to the customers measurements.
And where do Daleboot come in the general range of things?
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Dr John, So you believe that strolz make a boot exactly to your foot, I mean "MAKE" one rather than adapt one, as any bootfitter does, only with around 40 times more possible permitations of coller and clog. I wish that were true, by my calcualtions strolz are a snip of the 60,000€ it costs to build a plug mold.
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Dr John, strolz sound more like made to measure than fully bespoke
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I would like to add, I know alot of people that are very happy with Strolz boots and why not, I have no problem with any boot that fits and people are happy with, would just like some clarification as to exactly what happens and how the process is different to that that any good bootfitter follows. I'm happy to be wrong, let's wait and see if this debate can go out live on SH's. A picture i saw on the site shows a guy grinding a wooden last, if this gets made for each of the clients two feet and is then sent away to have the boot injection moulded to this shape then i'm amazed. If however it's just used as a guide then the most appropriate shell is chosen and then stretched around it, then as far as i'm concerned it's no different, infact inferior to that of any good boot modified by a skilled bootfitter. I have hoped for years Strolz would come forward and compare their product to a Bootfitters work, I hope this will happen here.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, sounds like they do both, ie bespoke boot for problem feet, or modifying pre-made boots, from the webpage:
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| For specific foot problems such as club feet and pinned ankles, a specialist boot will be produced in Austria in a three to four week period. This modified boot will then be fitted by Steven in the UK. All other foot problems can be dealt with from the complete range we carry in stock. |
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We are now able to supply your own expertly fitted ski boots from stock as we have a full set of wooden lasts which allow us to pre-form boots for our customers.
An extensive range of shells and leather inners are kept in stock too so that the whole process of analysis, measuring, customizing and fitting your new Strolz ski boots can all be done within the same day if required with consultations available by appointment only. |
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kitenski, And so your conclusion? 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| kitenski wrote: |
SMALLZOOKEEPER, sounds like they do both, ie bespoke boot for problem feet, or modifying pre-made boots, from the webpage:
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SZK, the above is my conclusion!
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How much are the Strolz? I might treat myself when I'm in St. Anton this coming season, my old faithfuls are getting a bit long in the tooth. The thought of breaking in a new pair does not excite me.
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You know it makes sense.
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gandie, As strolz, has re-iterated a couple of times go to http://www.strolz.co.uk/index.html Ah no price shown, that smells to me like mucho money although they'd probably try to dress it up with weasel words about custom made, one-off, etc!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Ah well, maybe I'll just pop into Decathlon then.
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Poster: A snowHead
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gandie, I made that mistake once, want to buy a pair of 27.5 boots, about 2 sizes too big for me
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating. How many of the top flight pro downhill skiers - say top 15 rankings ski in a pair?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Megamum wrote: |
| I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating. How many of the top flight pro downhill skiers - say top 15 rankings ski in a pair? |
None. Actually that's a guess. The difference here though is sponsorship... Strolz is a very bespoke brand I'd be surprised if they have the budget to sponsor the athletes you mention.
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| ulmerhutte wrote: |
Got both the preceding pair and the current pair from their Zurs shop.
FYI: Gebi no longer owns the store at Falls - he retired and it was bought by the lift company. AFAIK, they no longer stock Strolz.
Smallzookeeper - no argument. Boot fitting experience and skill is key. |
I visited Gebi's shop in Falls Creek a couple of weeks ago.
I can confirm that Gebi no longer owns the shop and they definitely do not stock Strolz boots.
I visited Larry Adler's at Jindabyne a week ago.
Larry still owns the shop and they do stock and foam up Strolz boots there.
As I will be travelling to Europe, this European winter, I will probably get a new set in the Arlberg.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| strolz wrote: |
| Completly redesigned shell with larger toe box new clips with micro adjust. |
The boot no longer closes over the top of the foot.
The closure is offset to one side.
That way if you unbuckle the foot buckles melt water does not get in. 
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| parlor wrote: |
| Megamum wrote: |
| I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating. How many of the top flight pro downhill skiers - say top 15 rankings ski in a pair? |
None. Actually that's a guess. The difference here though is sponsorship... Strolz is a very bespoke brand I'd be surprised if they have the budget to sponsor the athletes you mention. |
I think the last time a world cup racer wore Strolz was when members of the Strolz family were racing.
They are not a boot to be worn for a few minutes of a race and removed in agony.
They are a boot to worn all day, day after day, with causing foot pain.
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| Colin B wrote: |
| gandie, As strolz, has re-iterated a couple of times go to http://www.strolz.co.uk/index.html Ah no price shown, that smells to me like mucho money although they'd probably try to dress it up with weasel words about custom made, one-off, etc! |
I have spent around 200,000 pounds on skiing over 1,000 days.
The biggest cost was accomodation and I have never skied in a bed.
Airfares, food and drink are necessary too, but the real value in sking is the lift passes and ski equipment.
If you need to look at the price tag on new skiwear, skis and boots then you can't afford to ski.
A bad workmen blames his tools, a good workman never blames his tools because he wont work with poor quality tools.
Always buy the best skiwear, skis, & boots and then pinch your pennies and pounds on the accomodation.
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| I would like to add, I know alot of people that are very happy with Strolz boots and why not, I have no problem with any boot that fits and people are happy with, would just like some clarification as to exactly what happens and how the process is different to that that any good bootfitter follows. I'm happy to be wrong, let's wait and see if this debate can go out live on SH's. A picture i saw on the site shows a guy grinding a wooden last, if this gets made for each of the clients two feet and is then sent away to have the boot injection moulded to this shape then i'm amazed. If however it's just used as a guide then the most appropriate shell is chosen and then stretched around it, then as far as i'm concerned it's no different, infact inferior to that of any good boot modified by a skilled bootfitter. I have hoped for years Strolz would come forward and compare their product to a Bootfitters work, I hope this will happen here. |
Mould used for shell selection and any shell stretching.
Foaming done with the socked foot in the boot.
The foam sets around the foot except pressure points which are padded out.
Foaming the boot with the foot in gets the fit micro millimetere perfect all over, not just close in some places.
Except if you put on 3 stone in weight  which fattens up the foot and you then have to wear thinner socks.
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| abominable wrote: |
They are not a boot to be worn for a few minutes of a race and removed in agony.
They are a boot to worn all day, day after day, with causing foot pain. |
and a well fitted pair of race boots is not a boot to be worn for a few minutes and removed in agony....most of the racers I know train 5-6 hours a a day and don't stop for a coffee every second run
maybe just maybe you have had a bad boot fit experience in the past, but hey what do i know 
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They are a boot to worn all day, day after day, with causing foot pain.
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a boot for the masochist, then?
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