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right... further research into new planks.
anyone got any thoughts on how their 90-100mm waist skis ski on groomed slopes?
got any pictures to liven the thread up a bit?
how would it compare to skiing something around 85mm on groomed?
winter seems like so far away and all i can think about is skiing and getting some bigger skis 
legend pros have been recommended, but only old ones which i can't see much of online. coming into my thoughts are line prophet 90 or 100.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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shoogly, It's a doddle upto 110, infact beyond, but it ain't good for those knees or bindings.
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I think 90mm is the point where you start to notice the width. I find an 85mm waist ski feels pretty much as quick edge to edge as a 70mm ski. On a 100mm waist definately feels slower edge to edge but grips fine once I have got it on edge.
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shoogly, i currently have HSFR's (92mm) in 179cm and think they are excellent on piste. However, they are quite a stiff ski and poppy so i get chucked about a lot. I am 11.5st so am looking at getting Line Prophets 100 in a 186cm as I want something slightly softer and longer for off piste while still being usable on piste.
To be honest I dont think you would notice a big difference from 85mm to 90mm
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shoogly, I got a pair of Icelantic Pilgrims last winter which are 90mm. I struggled with them in Laax in February where it was pretty icy. Apart from that they were fine on piste. I also skied some Scott Crusades, which are also 90mm, for 3 days. They were no problem at all and easier than the Pigrims on piste.
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would it not also matter how stiff they were and how wide the front / rear? Ive had Rossi S3s (think they were - 92mm twins) waist, Icelantic Pilgroms 90mm, Rossi SC80s and narrower skis. Weirdly the Rossi twins were real fast, Pilgrims were pretty good (wasny icy though), but i find the SC80s less so - bit topsy turvey, so i was thinking maybe there was another factor?
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cheers for the feedback people!
i feel i have some ski testing to do!!! in no rush to buy as i really want to make sure i get the right planks.
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you can carve arc to arc short and long radius turns on piste with wide skis, its a doddle.
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I got a pair of Movement Sluffs (99mm) and they're ace on piste. I'm with SMALLZOOKEEPER, up to 110 you'll be reet. Skied with a guide last year who used the Legend Pro XXL, he was seriously like sheet of a shovel, I don't think I saw him touch the snow once!
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shoogly, Black Crows Navis in 186. Voila, next.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, what about Legend Pros? 
shoogly, searching will find a few threads of this argued to death
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Colin B, I also go some Pilgrims last year and found them really safe on ice. Something to do with the prep rather than the skis? If, however, you got them where I got them for a bargain then we have the same prep.
shoogly, I was suprised how good they were on piste. All my previous skis have been pretty much 90%+ piste orientated.
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DaveC, Sweet, but the Navis cuts the piste better I reckon, a bit more forgiving too. Reckon the New Pro will be a toughie too.
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You know it makes sense.
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Mountain Haddock, I got them from Kiw1/Dot. It was very icy in Laax. Perhaps it's just my crap skiing.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| you can carve arc to arc short and long radius turns on piste with wide skis, its a doddle. |
A Damascene conversion 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| you can carve arc to arc short and long radius turns on piste with wide skis, its a doddle. |
Riding 'em switch as well.
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What Colin B said about the Pilgrims, other than icy conditions when you have to work a little harder, they're very easy to ski on piste (also got mine from Kiwi1/Dot.). Tried some Movements last season (think they were Thunder) which were 89mm and they were absolutely fine on piste, not quite within the range you're asking about but a hair's breadth away.
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| shoogly wrote: |
| anyone got any thoughts on how their 90-100mm waist skis ski on groomed slopes? |
What are you comparing them to? My 90mm waist skis are utterly pants compared to my slalom and GS skis. But I suspect they will be better than the 115mm skis I have on order for next season.
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depends what you want out of your piste skiing. if you want to mimic the feel you get from some SL skis you'll be disappointed but most fat skis are at least survivable in all piste conditions and lots are positively fun.
LPs of both kinds can be a hoot but you need a lot of room to get the most out of them, although XXLs do bring in the possibility of sideslipping faster than some people ski 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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The only times I prefer my 85mm Sultan 85's (or the old 80mm Legend 8000) to my 92mm Big Troubles is on really hardpacked pistes. If they're tortionally stiff enough, the only difference the width makes is the extra 0.00001 of a second it takes to roll them over to the other edge. If anything I prefer the Big Troubles for fast carving, and they're my first choice for anything other than proper hardpack/ice.
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| Arno wrote: |
depends what you want out of your piste skiing. if you want to mimic the feel you get from some SL skis you'll be disappointed but most fat skis are at least survivable in all piste conditions and lots are positively fun.
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^^^ This. If you're obsessed with edge hold and the perfect carve then stick with something designed for the job. If you quite like the feeling of the odd skid or the kick in the pants rebound you get from a beefy ski on aggressive high angle groomed turns then you can have some giggles. Lots of 100-115 all mountain skis out there with many of the capabilities of a punter GS ski (& you can go narrower if you're lighter weight or a girl).
Even silly fun shapes like double rockered pow skis can have flat camber, quite tight underboot sidecuts and short effective edges on hardpack and thus ski ok once you get them over.
IANAE
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lots of good info here... thanks muchly for all the input.
i now have a wee list of skis to try before buying.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, while we're on the subject, did you get an early view of the new Corvus in the shorter lengths? While I'm sure that someone will question whether or not I wear women's underwear for this one, I really don't need the 196. If you did get a glimpse, how does it compare with the Navis?
/threadjack.
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Scott Missions, 89 underfoot, lovely carves and skip across the deep stuff
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Colin B, or perhaps I just haven't hit proper ice on them yet Any feedback from your family on the graphics? My daughters find them hideously embarassing - I think they are pretty cool. Great service from Kiwi1/Dot too
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| Dr John wrote: |
| Scott Missions, 89 underfoot, lovely carves and skip across the deep stuff |
I've got the Rosas which are exactly the same but my 168s are 86 underfoot. Love them on and off piste, I've not used my 'piste' skis since. Also I have a pair of Line Pandoras which are 110 underfoot in a 172 twin tip and have to say I was surprised how good they were on piste as well for a ski of that width. Not as good as the Rosas admittedly but really, really good for a ski that wide
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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gorilla, Yes got a pair in my house, used by my flat-mate for touring, he's a bit good at skiing as it happens. Have to say and by their own admission that the newer cap-sidewall construction is a slight backward step in terms of feel, but will help with QC and mean prices hold well. Still well made, but i like a sandwich me.
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VolklAttivaS5, yep, took my ever reliable K2 Recons with me just in case the Missions didn't hack it on piste but they never came out of the bag and I've since sold them.
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You know it makes sense.
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How do you ski on piste? If you're properly carving turns on LP's you'll be going at light speed after 3 turns on anything steeper than a gentle blue.
You need to be a strong, aggressive and technically competent skier to benefit from a ski like the Legend pro (the old stiff ones at least).
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BobinCH, I feel good now, cheers. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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DaveC, Turns???? 
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My stormrider xxxls (89mm wide with a 26m+ radius) absolutely rock on piste. It has to be a big, wide, empty piste right enough.
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Dr John, VolklAttivaS5, Missions/Rosas aren't considered fat anymore
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kitenski, oh god, this again. To make up a statistic based on a couple of seconds consideration, I reckon 80-90% of the worlds skiers would most definitely consider them fat. I'm sure a study of the width of all skis sold and rented would support this. Let's be sensible about this, just because a small group of dedicated hard-core skiers on this and other specialist skier sites pronounce that 90mm doesn't constitute fat, it doesn't necessarily follow that the rest of the skiing world suddenly change years of practice and habit.
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Dr John, I reckon they consider them mid-fat
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Dr John, You don't have any wide skis do you.
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Dr John, stop being so 'narrow' minded
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DaveC, SMALLZOOKEEPER, you little tinkers
scotia, agree I might need to broaden my horizon
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How do you ski on piste? If you're properly carving turns on LP's you'll be going at light speed after 3 turns on anything steeper than a gentle blue.
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Indeed. Not skied the LP but the main difference for me with wider skis on piste is the turn radius rather than the width. Not that there aren't wider skis with tight radii, just that they are less common. You really need to enjoy the feeling of working the ski through the turn and be prepared to work the ski hard. Either that or nuts of steel and empty pistes.
SZK, cheers. Strongly considering the Corvus/Navis as a replacement for my non-powder ski.
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