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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Ok, so who was at fault.
ry answer, both of them as neither had any idea of what was going on outside their direct line of vision.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Mon 2-08-10 15:03; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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well that vid is funny, but some folk get badly damaged that way and it's evident in that case who's at fault.
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pale blue jacket is at fault... faster skier coming from slightly behind crashing into someone who doesn't look the most confident.
Still funny though! 
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pale blue jacket seems to change her line more and was slightly the up hill skier with the better line of sight, but only marginally. Both as bad as each other though in reality,
otherwise the one with the headphones in 
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Frosty the Snowman, agree, neither looking around at all, very harsh to say it's one's fault more than the other.
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and it's evident in that case who's at fault
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Actually both could have and should have avoided it. 55:45 in my book. And either one of 'em might have wiped out the cameraman by trying to stop in front of him. Brainless.
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Both an example of why more experienced skiers ski the fall line at the edge of crowded slopes. Is it so hard to maintain a basic awareness of what's going on around you?
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very harsh to say it's one's fault more than the other.
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I disagree. The one who came from the right is very clearly skiing faster and overtaking - starts off quite a lot higher up the slope. It is absolutely NOT the responsibility of the "skieur aval" to keep looking over their shoulder in case some out of control nutter is heading their way.
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I have to agree with pam w, on this one, the skier on the right in light blue is at fault, to make it worse she is looking directly at the other skier when she skis into her.
But with her feet so close together she could not have turned away even if she tried to 
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was she showing off for the camera?
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None of them had helmets, they're both at fault..
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You know it makes sense.
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That second one made me laugh!! Im not sure about it being staged, looks a bit dangerous really. Just spotted your location gorilla, nendaz? Is that linked to Verbier? I looked at a chalet there for last season but went back to my trusty and well known Portes Du Soleil. Does Nendaz have good access to the slopes and skiing? Whats the night scene like etc? Cheers.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Not entirely sure in the sx video why she thought it was a good idea to turn back into the line to stop haha 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Kruisler wrote: |
| None of them had helmets, they're both at fault.. |
Congratulations, you are the first person to mention the H word. The very scenario where I think (without the help of a survey) people think an "H word" would be essential, and yet the footage neatly demonstrates the torso taking the impact.
In my view, who is a fault here is irrelevant. If you were the girl on the left just slightly ahead, you should also be aware of what's coming into your peripheral vision from behind and take action. Lying there in a pool of your own blood and brain material and not being at fault isn't really useful.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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gorilla, set up or not, that second one is genius
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Ricklovesthepowder, unfortunately I am no longer in Nendaz due to real life interrupting. I can confirm, though that the skiing is as good as the nightlife isn't. There's a range of Nendaz/Verbier trip reports from Swirly and BobinCH in the trip report section that give an idea of what we got up to.
Arno, inspired, isn't it? I particularly like the way you think the oncoming twin tipper is going to nail the camera man. The misdirection is worthy of Hitchcock.
In a bid to stop this degenerating into a helmet thread, I also found this:
http://vimeo.com/groups/snowboarding/videos/3510398
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Zero-G, that first one is the best ever - and I'd lost my link to it, so thanks!
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| Kruisler wrote: |
| None of them had helmets, they're both at fault.. |
If they were wearing Helmets they would of definitely had no awareness (seeing, hearing) of each other
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gorilla, Leaving aside the unfortunate ending, that's a lovely bit of film IMV - makes me wanna be there NOW!!
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Zero-G, your first one is my all time favourite ski crash clip. Never tire of it...!!
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Kruisler wrote: |
| None of them had helmets, they're both at fault.. |
Congratulations, you are the first person to mention the H word. The very scenario where I think (without the help of a survey) people think an "H word" would be essential, and yet the footage neatly demonstrates the torso taking the impact.
In my view, who is a fault here is irrelevant. If you were the girl on the left just slightly ahead, you should also be aware of what's coming into your peripheral vision from behind and take action. Lying there in a pool of your own blood and brain material and not being at fault isn't really useful. |
my comment was tongue in cheek...
Both girls here are about to ski and pass right close to guy filming. If we want to be thorough that's a first mistake on both parties as if you wipe out (on your own or helped out by other another skier) you could possibly take the guy filming down. Had they had a bit more speed they indeed would have..
I agree they are kind of both at fault but the one on the left is clearly not all that good and the one from the right, who does look a better skier, should have realised this and should have known better than to cut back the first one's line so close in front of her..
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| my comment was tongue in cheek... |
i managed to spot that all on my own. And you should never ski with your tongue in your cheek.
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if either had had a helmet on it is likely that one of them would have ended up with 'teeth in cheek' 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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pam w, shoogly, rayscoops, Dr John, Bode Swiller, it's the flippin cameraman's fault for stopping right in the middle of the piste! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I blame Gordon Brown 
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I agree they are kind of both at fault
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I still don't see how it can be the fault of the girl on the left, who is skiing slower than the other, and who doesn't do anything particularly whacky which would detract from the guilt of the faster, over-taking skier.
Since when has it been the duty of a slower skier to look over their shoulder and make a last minute move (not easy for a beginner) to avoid an overtaking skier? Sure, if you happen to see someone, and you happen to have the skill and presence of mind to do a little jink, and if that happens not to take you into the avoiding path being taken by the other skier, good luck to you. But it's not something which faster skiers have any right to expect. It's something you read now and then on snowheads, where people blame "slow skiers zig zagging all over the place" for impeding their Olympian progress. It's like finding ways of absolving the guilt of a car driver who slams into the back of the vehicle in front - a sin for which there is no forgiveness.
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pam w,
Yes the one on the right is initially coming from behind but when you look at the video they are actually level for quite a few seconds before the crash. The remain seconds to the crash should be enough for both skiers to become aware of each other
Then they just turn into each other... Bad luck/mistake from both in my view, although as said the one on the right, being the better skier, should have known better than cut back towards the other one and give her a wider berth.
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they are actually level for quite a few seconds before the crash.
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I don't see that that makes much difference. The one on the right remains the overtaking skier. There's bound to be a short time when they are at the same level, or there couldn't be a crash. Just a few seconds earlier she's a lot higher up the slope - no question at all that she's faster.
Are they together, do you think? and were they performing for the camera? If so, then all three of them are dopey.
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Reviewing it again (slow lunch time), I reckon the fault is 70/30. Plus I don't think the girl on the right is all that good a skier, because she appears to see the crash coming but can't seem to react to it. There's plenty of time there for an anchors out emergency stop but she carries on going. Both a bit dozy, let's be completely fair.
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they were both heading to exactly the same place from roughly the same position relative to each other on the piste so no one was really overtaking as such, the were both heading to the same stop position and were focussed on that for the camera rather than on each other. All they needed to do was look around slightly rather than look at the camera.
ban cameras on the piste and save lives
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