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New research looking at factors assoicated with self-reported risk-taking behaviour on ski slopes has found that helmet use is about the same in risk taking and cautious skiers. This seems to negate the argument that helmets cause a false sense of security, and so an increase in risk-taking behaviour....The research, which included 527 skiers and snowboarders over the age of 12, observed behaviour in four typical ski areas in Austria last season. Other findings were that risk-taking behaviour on ski slopes is associated with younger age, higher skiing ability, male sex, lower body mass index and on average higher speeds, but not type of gear used (i.e. skis or snowboard) or physical fitness.
Ciatation: Ruedl G et al. Factors asscoiated with self-reported risk-taking behaviour on ski slopes. Br J Sports Med 2010; 44: 206-6.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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el Hen,
Blimey, another helmet thread (;>)
Have you a link to the source?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Did this research also find out about the religion of the bloke at the Vatican?
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| Gordyjh wrote: |
| Did this research also find out about the religion of the bloke at the Vatican? |
| el Hen wrote: |
New research looking at factors assoicated with self-reported risk-taking behaviour on ski slopes has found that helmet use is about the same in risk taking and cautious skiers.
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Really depends on what is meant by cautious skiers... surely cautious skiers are unlikely to take any risk.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Gordyjh, you mean
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| that risk-taking behaviour on ski slopes is associated with younger age, higher skiing ability, male sex, lower body mass index and on average higher speeds, |
Is not stating the bleeding obvious.
BTW I think bloke's religion is Pedophilia, He seems to employ a lot of converts 
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Did the research take in to account that most helmets make wearing goggles preferrable to sun glasses.
The combination of loss of peripheral vision from goggles and reduced hearing from helmets may make a helmetted skier less aware of skiers and boarders alongside them.
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abominable, escuse my french abominable, but that's total b@lls, both the peripheral vision and reduced hearing.
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excuse my french abominable, but that's total b@lls, both the peripheral vision and reduced hearing.
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| Dr John wrote: |
| excuse my french abominable, but that's total b@lls, both the peripheral vision and reduced hearing. |
(apologies for double post, stupid Friday fingers...)
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lol how to make a double post in a triple however Dr John, I totally agree abominable, 's post is nonsense.
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I'm something big in IT, would you believe it...
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Hang on. You're suggesting that a study based on 'self-reported risk-taking behaviour' somehow negates an argument that says helmet wearing affects the accuracy of people's assemssnet of risk. How does that work then ? If 'helmets cause a false sense of security', then you can't rely on 'self-reported risk-taking behaviour', so the study can't say anything useful about that argument
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You know it makes sense.
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Dwarf Vader,
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that risk-taking behaviour on ski slopes is associated with younger age, higher skiing ability, male sex, lower body mass index and on average higher speeds,
Is not stating the bleeding obvious.
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No?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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viv, thank you, too busy spluttering by the inanity of this is "research" to put it any better 
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Poster: A snowHead
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I presume this article is in the March issue of Br J Sports Med which seems as yet unavailable online: http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/current
It would be nice to read the actual article.
I note a number of people here rubbishing this article: i'm not sure any of them have read the article either.
Gerhard Ruedl works at the University of Innsbruck Sports Sciences Institute, and I don't think he's an idiot.
I have emailed him (gerhard.ruedl@uibk.ac.at) to ask for access to his article, and comments on what has been posted here.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mmmm If the citation is correct it would appear that the article appears on a single page and may thus be an abstract. A lot of abstracts do not eventually make the literature for various reasons.
Will be interesting to see what it eventually says though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Jonpim, It seems to be on line now - but only if you subscribe.
From the abstract:
Methods Speeds of skiers and snowboarders were measured with a radar speed gun and sex, age, nationality, height, weight and helmet use, used type of gear, self-estimated skill level and self-estimated fitness level were recorded. In addition, participants were asked if they considered themselves as cautious or risk-taking skier or snowboarder
So the recorded speeds and physical facts, including helmet use, were compared with self estimated. skill, fitness and risk levels to arrive at conclusions. Quite different to what has been mentioned above.
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| number of people here rubbishing this article |
Jonpim. Not sure if you're trying to include me in this group, but I wasn't commenting on the article at all, just the logical fallacy in the first two sentences on the OP
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so should we be scarred of young skinny blokes then, is that another way to look at the research? 
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Just had a quick look over there and found this :
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OFF PISTE SAFETY
28th August 2009
Page being updated - please check back soon. |
Do you think that he's taking time to consider whether to include a section on avalanche cords ? ? ?
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hmmm...having not read the article, i can't be sure, but...
To me the issue is weather 'wearing a helmet increases an individuals risk taking', which is different to whether 'most risk takers wear helmets'
of course this is always going to be difficult to answer, as it depends somewhat on personality type (really cautious people probably wear as much protective clothing as can be found in the shops even if they take no risks), as well as trying to define risk (speed is only one aspect, there is also type of slope skied and type of turn/where they turn etc etc). It also requires individuals to be very honest about whether their risk taking.
Anyway, it would be good to see the article!
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Christ on a bike, it's Kenton Cool 
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'fraid not - it's Guy Willett - KC's business partner! KC is still on everest...
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dreamguides, I did wonder.....still, nice to see you, to see you, nice
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| The Voice of Reason wrote: |
| dreamguides, I did wonder - someone has to stay home and do all the real work, eh?.....still, nice to see you, to see you, nice |
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Have to say I'm quite impressed that sH's got the article before the author... 