Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'd think very carefully about aspirin, paracetamol could be better (no thinning of the blood), but you have to make a point of offering it to the victim as opposed to giving it to them, for liability's sake etc
Climbing sling with a couple of screwgate crabs, never know when it may be useful. If on a glacier a proper rope too.
If you're spending the whole day a considerable way off the slopes, I'd say a group shelter will be better than a space blanket. A space blanket won't heat you up unless you already have enough heat to radiate out, with a group shelter you can pile everyone in, either to keep people out the wind or whatver, or to share bodyheat if someone is hypothermic.
Again, if you're a significant way from the pistes, you should really have a map/compass, unless you really know the area well.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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A bivvy bag and CPR barriers are pretty useful in an aid kit.
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Safety gear appropriate to where you are going of course. Rocky Road chocolate bars are light and pack quite a punch when you need them!
A good sharp climbing knife is very handy. Compass. Map etc. Inclinometer is useful if you know what you're doing - or just want to realize that that knarly slope was really only 30 degrees..
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'd add a ratchet-based screw-driver - most components in a leatherman are easily good enough (and the knife on mine is sharp enough to slice off part of my thumb, so that's enough for me), but the screw-driver components aren't typically powerful enough to handle binding screws.
I also have some climbing tat (~4.5 mm diameter) which gives more options for fixing stuff that just duct tape (which I also take)
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The stuff on the list. Skins and Harscheisen if any chance of going uphill. Spare contact lenses. Thin fleece gloves. Whistle. A few cable ties and some gaffer on the inside surface.
Most importantly. a few Twixs
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Mobile phone but more importantly always with the number of piste patrol/rescue for whatever resort I go to.
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Oh and my travel insurance docs as well...
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stoatsbrother wrote: |
Skins and Harscheisen if any chance of going uphill. |
Yes, you beat me to it.
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Sloe gin
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Little fire steel.... if I get lost I can always ski down to the tree line and start a fire to keep warm.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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At the risk of coming in for some flak, here's my packing list for touring.
Cut down some of the clothes, food and all the hut stuff and you've got it for a day trip.
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Qty Each Total Description Comments Est Rep
0 2936 0 Clothes
1 354 354 Paclite jacket ME Firefly
1 242 242 Paclite trousers Sprayway Paclite Pant
1 222 222 Pertex windshirt Ronhill cycling top
1 450 450 down jacket ME Helium
1 252 252 thick fleece Mountain Hardwear Powerstretch
1 188 188 thin fleece Sprayway Crew Cut (grey)
1 226 226 Merino base Icebreaker Skin 200
1 240 240 black base Duofold black
1 190 190 leggings LoweAlpine Powerstretch Pants
2 48 96 knickers
2 32 64 inner socks Bridgedale CoolMax
1 84 84 outer socks Smartwool
1 28 28 glove liner Decathlon silk
1 44 44 fleece gloves Salomon grey
1 98 98 over mitts NorthCape Milair
1 36 36 original buff blue
1 36 36 combi buff grey
1 86 86 sun hat LoweAlpine baseball
0 11912 0 Skiing
2 1550 3100 skis Line Darkside Carbon
2 1050 2100 bindings Fritschi Freeride
2 228 456 poles Swix Carbon
2 2065 4130 boots Kneissl Flexon black
1 548 548 skins Colltex blue
1 314 314 harscheisen Fritschi Axiom
1 68 68 goggles ESS Advancer
1 62 62 yellow lens inc case
1 292 292 transceiver Ortovox M2
1 842 842 shovel&probe BCA Tour
0 0 0 Hardware optional
0 296 0 ice axe Camp XLA
0 450 0 crampons & bag Camp XLC
0 500 0 harness R
0 76 0 screwgate
0 32 0 prussik
0 28 0 sling
0 901 0 Toolbag
1 16 16 stuffsack black
1 40 40 gaffa tape
1 86 86 screwdriver set CK Tools 6-in-1
1 17 17 GPS adapter Garmin
1 308 308 GPS charger !!! R
1 78 78 headtorch Petzl Tikka+
1 46 46 compass Silva
1 82 82 penknife
1 6 6 whistle plastic yellow
1 88 88 spaceblanket
1 72 72 4 spare AA Energizer L91
1 44 44 4 spare AAA
1 18 18 assorted cord
0 168 0 FirstAid
1 2 2 antihistamine
1 8 8 Ibuprofen
1 8 8 Elastoplast
1 32 32 antiseptic cream
2 5 10 antiseptic wipes
1 28 28 elastic bandage
1 8 8 micropore tape
2 2 4 wound dressing
1 68 68 sun block
0 1262 0 Bling
1 766 766 camera Fujifilm S9500
1 242 242 camera case LowePro TLZ mini
1 4 4 lens cloth
1 46 46 watch Klik MSF
1 76 76 GPS Garmin Fortrex 201
1 36 36 wallet
1 5 5 debit card Nationwide
1 5 5 credit card First Direct
1 30 30 passport
1 14 14 driving licence
1 20 20 cash E
1 3 3 neck cord
1 5 5 insurance card Snowcard
1 5 5 EHIC card expired?
1 5 5 BASI licence
0 2026 0 Food&Drink
1 106 106 water bottle Nalgene widemouth
1 510 510 GF muesli
5 110 550 fruit & nut
5 30 150 GF chocolate bar
5 24 120 coconut bar
1 200 200 jelly babies E
1 200 200 fruit jellys E
5 30 150 baby bell E
2 20 40 oat cakes E
0 508 0 Hut
1 112 112 towel TrekMates large travel towel
1 134 134 sleeping bag liner Sea To Summit silk travel liner
1 68 68 boxers silk
1 12 12 washbag nylon
1 22 22 toothbrush
1 30 30 toothpaste
1 56 56 travel wash
1 74 74 toilet paper
0 838 0 Sack
1 636 636 rucksack Golite Jam2
1 202 202 sack liner separate bags R
20551 Total
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altis, you weighed your credit cards? nice one!
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You know it makes sense.
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*Always* pack bog roll. Never know when the 'turtles head' might show up.
And its a real pain to not having anything to wipe yer @rse with!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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clarky999,
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think very carefully about aspirin
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I would imagine the guide would carry Asprin in the case of any of the party suffering an MI, as 300mg Asprin immediately makes a difference.
I understand that Paracetamol could be better as a pain killer as it does not thin the blood...
Don't really know how much this would happen but:
-paracetamol is an antipyritic so lowers core temp, this could be a problem in the mountains?
However i would be tempted to use ibuprofen for pain relief, better for hangovers ect.
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Poster: A snowHead
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jwhiteley1, Aspirin does have effects on platelet-aggregation and might reduce blood clotting, but it is easy to overstate this effect. Paracetamol may help reduce a fever, but will not drop a normal temperature significantly. I usually take rather stronger painkillers with me just in case. And some antidiarrhoea drugs.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have a couple of 500mg paracetamol/30mg codine in my first aid kit. Strongest I can get this side of legal, all the oxycontin are gone
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Yeah I know what you're saying - personally I never carry aspirin as I'm very allergic to it. I take co-codamol for myself, but if anyone else in the group (ie friends, I'm not a guide, and not a highly qualified enough instructor to take people off psite) needs a painkiller I would rather just offer them paracetamol, it seems less complicated, and less of a potential legal problem if the worst happens. Also, although I have a first aid certificate, I'm not a trained medic, so any of the more complex issues are beyond me anyway.
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stoatsbrother, thanks i didn't think paracetamol would have too much of an effect.
Scarpa, Yeah my gf lives off co-codamol 1/4 of the time gotta love the opiates
clarky999, fair point about the legal side i suppose, I hope when you found out you were allergic it wasn't too dramatic!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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No, it was my Dad who made the discovery when he was younger - he used to take it to get out of school lol, then when he got older it started to have more of an effect, and when someone else gave him some (or something of the same type/ingredients) he nearly dided. I've been told that I would likely suffer similar effects, but want to avoid testing it!
So far I've never ahd to deal with anything legal like that with skiing, but I've had a few sticky situations when kayaking (I'm a whitewater kayaker, and teach it to a higher level than I do skiing). Most kayaking takes place in fairly remote areas so we always have to be self sufficient, and things like legal liability are drummed into us at coaching courses. Seems logical to apply the same principles to skiing.
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stoatsbrother wrote: |
altis, you weighed your credit cards? nice one! |
Phew, I think I got off lightly there!
The packing list needs to be complete so I don't leave anything behind! Weighing everything is just part of my desire for knowledge.
Back to the original article: I find it difficult to recommend a Leatherman as they simply weigh too much. I have a Gerber Suspension which is supposedly light but blatantly isn't. Yes, you can get tiddly little versions but I wonder how useful they are. I've opted for a small Victorinox penknife and a CK Tools 6-in-1 with my own selection of bits to fit all the bindings and boots in our party. There's no pliers, but how often do you need them?
http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=ck-tools+6-in-1
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