 Poster: A snowHead
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I bought conformable custom injection liners with my Tecnica Diablo Flames in January 2006 from Surefoot. One of the liners has developed a small hole on the inside of the liner, just about where my inside right heel touches it. I could pop a bit of foam in there and some duct tape on top and it might last the season, but after about 150 days skiing would it be fair for me to take them back to Surefoot and to ask for a new liner? For those of you who don't know Surefoot they offer this guarantee:
"Surefoot wants to provide you, our valued customers, with the best fitting, best performing ski boots possible. If for any reason or at any time you are dissatisfied with the fit of your Surefoot custom ski boots, please return them to a Surefoot location where we will repair or replace them at our discretion and at no expense to you. This guarantee does not cover the natural breakdown of materials over extended time and use."
Do you reckon that c150 days counts as extended time and use?
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I'd suggest after 150 days of skiing a liner no you wouldn't have a reasonable case to go back to them complaining the liner is worn out. Surely the final sentence is stating this clearly, that they don't cover wear & tear.
I'd also suggest that at that stage your liners will have packed out considerably compared to the initial fit through natural usage. With this in mind a reasonable & relatively cost effective solution would be to get some specialist insoles. Personally i'd go for custom's. That's what i did the season before last after about 4 years in my current boots at about 15-20 days a year.
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Steve Sparks, After 25 weeks of skiing I think that you may be well into the 'wear and tear' category.
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frank4short, I'm not quite sure how "specialist insoles" will help with a hole in the liner. I already have Surefoot custom footbeds in the liners.
The shells look pretty good and I've just replaced the heels and toes - what do people think about popping some Zipfits in to stretch them another season and a bit. I've just bought some JJs and didn't anticipate boots in the same season!
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Or go to Surefoot and pay for some new liners if you have been happy with them so far?
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Zipfits are the mutt's nutts 
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also agree I can't believe how good my zip fits are!
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Steve Sparks, I'm a new Zip-Fit convert having had Comform'able Pro Foam before. Zip-Fit's should last 600+ days.
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Spyderman, easy..... 400 days ish if you don't mind...based on looking after them
for the OP there is probably a small spur on your heel at the same point...whatever fix you do have the shell ground out to accomodate it
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| frank4short wrote: |
I'd also suggest that at that stage your liners will have packed out considerably compared to the initial fit through natural usage. With this in mind a reasonable & relatively cost effective solution would be to get some specialist insoles. Personally i'd go for custom's. That's what i did the season before last after about 4 years in my current boots at about 15-20 days a year. |
FYI when a liner has been foam injected you have the footbed put in first, it is then not possible to put a different footbed into the liner without altering the position of the foot in the liner, this will cause pain
even a new footbed of ther same make/model if made slightly differently can be a problem
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You know it makes sense.
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150 days is not even a season though is it? Are liners not expected to last a season?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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That tells me so. I'm used to zip fit style liners.
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Poster: A snowHead
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beanie1, That is why I asked. I guess it's a bit marginal.
CEM, I guess that's why I always wear a small hole in the heel of my running shoes in the same place? I'm in Aylesbury on Friday, seems like a trip up to Bicester could be called for....
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| beanie1 wrote: |
| 150 days is not even a season though is it? |
errr... i reckon if you're skiing 150 full days in a season and not pro -therefore sponsored- you're doing pretty well for yourself!!
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| beanie1 wrote: |
| 150 days is not even a season though is it? Are liners not expected to last a season? |
I'd say about 100 days is the max you can get as non-pro out of a season if you live on a mountain and have a normal life/job.
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sidey, Vorda, an instructor would ski every day, and possibly be doing pre / late season training in Zermatt / Hintertux, so be getting those sorts of numbers of days in.
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| Steve Sparks wrote: |
| CEM, I guess that's why I always wear a small hole in the heel of my running shoes in the same place? I'm in Aylesbury on Friday, seems like a trip up to Bicester could be called for.... |
I'd get on the phone and see if CEM has a free slot sharpish!
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kitenski, Have just done that. Boy he's a busy lad!
Nothing until next Thursday when I'm in Manchester. I was hoping to use a week in Obergurgl over Christmas to bed them in before a week's serious skiing with Powder Extreme in Verbier. I'm now thinking that I could get the conformables to hold out until the end of that Jan week and get Nick at Mountain Air in Verbier to do me some Zipfits at the end of that week and use the following week to bed them in for the rest of the season.
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