Have been ski-ing for more years than I'd like to admit. Decided on some new gear a couple of years ago, ended up with nose height carving skis and Dalbello NX boots. The skis carve nicely and I enjoy the piste runs. Last year I used a helmet cam and was surprised on playback to see how much my tips were wavering. The solution seems to be more weight forward, which I always am aware of. Is it as simple as this, do I need different boots (or inserts ?) etc I'll try most things to correct this if possible.
many thanks
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If you look at skiing in slow motion the skis move around a fair amount. Maybe you don't have a problem and what you're seeing is just the way things are? Perhaps post the video from your helmet cam for comment?
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OK I've always had longer skis (started off years ago with Omesofts 215 cm) and they were mostly parallel all the time, perhaps I'm expecting too much from the shorter ones ?
OK I'll see what I can do but from what I remember the tips just don't seem to be in as full contact with the snow as the rest of the skis.
This seems to me very much like "weight back" but I'm careful always about this and wondered if some wedge set-up or the like would do the trick ?
My Dalbellos have adjustments for SOFT and WALK (which doesn't seem to solve anything)
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Is the video the only way you could detect it? I imagine that the problem if real would manifest itself in one way or another - tips would be hooking snow or knocking together when not pressured sufficiently.
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When you say your tips move around, do you mean like this:
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I see what you mean, I wonder if I'm expecting shorter carving skis to schuss as well as the longer ones I'd got used to. I must admit I hadn't noticed it until I got the helmet cam ! There's no problem of course when the pressure is on the blades for turning, just when running straight. I'm also used to ski-ing with blades close together which doesn't seem to happen so much now, wonder if I'm getting too old for this lark !!
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... wonder if I'm getting too old for this lark !!
Thanks for that. Not really qualified for the club yet !
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I have a video clip ready to send but can't see how to do this ?
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@edgy1, upload it to youtube and paste the URL into a reply.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
I'm sorry if I appear a bit thick here but:
Have uploaded video to Facebook, which appears on my PC, can't find how to access the URL to post here??
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as per my last post, upload to youtube and past the URL here. Not sure facebook likes sharing outside of facebook.....
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@edgy1, you've spent over two years trying to upload a video and only after that herculean but unsuccessful effort have you returned for more advice?
I'm impressed!
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Do your new skis have a rocker design? If so, the tips will not be in contact with the snow and thus will quiver a bit depending on their stiffness. If that's the case, there's nothing you can do about it and it's nothing to worry about.
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@edgy1, from looking at that I think you have most of your weight on your inside ski. If you look at the skis, then the downhill ski is wavering around whilst the uphill ski is alot more "solid" and doesn't waver as much.
So you need to concentrate on standing early onto the new downhill ski and keep your weight on that downhill ski.
if you want an "exercise" that you could do on snow for your next holiday, or at a snowdome then try this on a gentle (think green steepness) slope.
Step 1: immediately after the turn see if you can lift the TAIL of your inside ski but keep the tip on the ground.
Step 2: If you can do this, try doing the same during the later part of the turn.
Step 3: If you can do this try lifting it earlier and earlier in the turn, eventually you can do the whole turn with the "new" inside ski lifted.
Keeping the tip on the ground is key as it prevents you leaning back. If the tip lifts you could well be leaning back.
So 2 things (only) to concentrate on, lifting the tail and standing on the new outside ski.
Look about a minute onwards from this video for the concept, but DON'T try doing it as fast as he is, and don't worry about getting the ski on edge like he does in the video.
NOTE: THIS IS A DRILL, don't go lifting the inside ski as its a bad habit to develop (I know I had it)!!
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edgy1 wrote:
Geronimo...here is the URL
Your balance is too far back so the tails of your skis will be weighted but the tips relatively light, which is why they move around a bit. Probably a bit too much on the inside ski as well, as kitenski suggested.
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What I see, is skiing on a gentle slope, where the turning movement comes from simply twisting the feet, with the skis very flat and the weight a little back (which allows the flat front to slide across the snow).
I think the posted D. Turner video is a great start.
IMO. You need to pressure the tips at the start of the turn (which helps pull the skis into the turn) and edge the skis a little more....being patient by allowing the ski to go on edge progressively. Putting pressure on the tips can be done by slightly pulling the legs back at the start of the turn.
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Wow they really do. I'm guessing that from your comments and the 2 year timespan you really don't know what pressuring a ski and driving it round a turn feels like. Listen to Dr Rob and consider his or similar services to begin a rebuild of your skiing.
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Wow they really do. I'm guessing that from your comments and the 2 year timespan you really don't know what pressuring a ski and driving it round a turn feels like. Listen to Dr Rob and consider his or similar services to begin a rebuild of your skiing.
+1
Weight too far back, too much on the inside ski, and not using the edges or shape of the ski at all. Possibly skis also too stiff for you. Something about the video makes me think your legs and ankles are very stiff and static? Essentially, the basics need some work.
Some one on one time with a good instructor (check out Rob above, maybe you can make one of his snowdome courses?) needed would be my recommendation.
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Defo get lessons on technique and practice the drills, it'll make a massive difference. Even just one decent lesson a year can really up your game.
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Phew ! most impressed with all the replies, must say I thought the post might not be picked up after all this time.
Had almost convinced myself that it was the skis (I've never had trouble on the "older" types), might be old age (86)
Many thanks to all.
ps: if any-one remotely thinks that better boots/skis would be any help I'd be in the market to renew.
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86 ?
Respect!
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86 ?
Respect!
+1!!!
That's rad - keep it up!!
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+2. Wow, I shall be REALLY pleased if I've got another 15 years+ skiing in me.
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edgy1 wrote:
ps: if any-one remotely thinks that better boots/skis would be any help I'd be in the market to renew.
In order to determine this, could you give some info:
Current skis:
- What make and model
- What length
Your stats:
- Weight
- Height
- Speed you ski
- Where you ski - ever go off piste
- Type of run you ski - Blue/Red/Black
- Skill Level ie Can you ski Long and short turns in control.
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- It's very hard to give definitive advice, remotely. I think, as highlighted above, the very first thing to do, is get assessed by an instructor. It is quite possible that he can get you to a level you are happy with on your current skis. If not, they will be able to advise on the sort of skis you should be looking at.
- Remember, technique has adapted to make use of modern ski design. Straight skis had such a big turning radius, that there was much more Up-unweighting and/or foot turning/short swing turns, involved in tightening the turn radius. Carving involved going pretty fast and getting all the weight onto the outside ski in order to bend it....which required a very decent technique.
- A modern Piste Ski has a Sidecut that gives a radius of around 14m on average.....this means changing the way you ski, by allowing the shape of the ski do the work, by tilting them on edge. Skiing is now more two footed, with the uphill ski exactly mirroring the downhill one ie. Same edge angle, changed at the same time. The difficulty, as I'm all too aware, is stopping the "Old School" bad habits creeping in (eg. Over-twisting feet; bobbing up and down; allowing the uphill ski to get too far ahead of the d/hill one and A-Frame stance ).
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@edgy1, Dynastar Omesofts ? I remember them -- like skiing with pair of kippers attached to your feet, and a really daft fairing thingy on the tip to ensure that when your crossed your ski tips they stayed crossed. I recall hearing the referred to as "Dynasaur Omigods...."
As far as you video goes --- ditto @rob@rar, getting balanced in the middle of the ski will give your legs an easier ride too. An respect! for keeping going
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ps: if any-one remotely thinks that better boots/skis would be any help I'd be in the market to renew.
@edgy1, It might be worth checking your ski boot fit. If your boots are too large then skis can wobble about like your's are doing.
All the advice on technique you're being given is good though. It's just that over large boots might be making the effect worse than it would otherwise be.
Top marks on skiing at your age. It gives me hope that I can keep going longer than I was thinking.
@edgy1, where do you live? Would be worth going to see a recommended boot specialist who can tell you pretty quickly if your boots fit or not!
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Lots of leg and core strengthening exercises before skiing?
It is so easy to lose conditioning the older we get.........
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edgy1 wrote:
Phew ! most impressed with all the replies, must say I thought the post might not be picked up after all this time.
Had almost convinced myself that it was the skis (I've never had trouble on the "older" types), might be old age (86)
Many thanks to all.
ps: if any-one remotely thinks that better boots/skis would be any help I'd be in the market to renew.
Adding to the well dones. I don't think its the kit. I suspect it is probably some muscle wastage combined with not being as athletic at getting forward as you once were. Maybe find a physio who can assess your ankle flex and give you leg strengthening exercises.
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Speaking from personal experience at 73 I definitely have lost leg strength despite doing leg strengthening exercises. It is just an aging effect. You cant slow it down but it is unavoidable.
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Yup... awesome to be enjoying the snow past retirement age... I am definitely aiming for that too.
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