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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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welcome to snowheads 
Can't help but I really hope you get it sorted. I gave up netball a year ago to ensue it didn't take it's toll on my knees, skiing is more important !
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Gloucosamine is working for me along with neoprene knee strapping, along with approx 100 miles a week on my bike. I also tend to ski in the morning and board in the afternoon which does not do my knees any good!
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kill_reign, Welcome to  's. Frosty The Snowman has tried (and bought) the ski-mojo and speaks favourably of it. worth a try maybe?
http://www.skiallday.co.uk/sm/
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Axsman,  those are Ninja-esque!
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Fogliettaz, why doesn't it do your knees any good to ski in the morning and board in the afternoon? I would have thought a change of stance/stress/emphasis could be quite a good thing.
kill_reign, welcome to Snowheads. I sympathize - knees not great, but being 62 I'm not too bothered about skiing like I'm 60. In fact on a good day I can look quite cool from behind. 
Maybe your technique is a bit too aggressive - aggression can sometimes take the place of technique. Do you find the kind of terrain/surface makes a difference?
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kill_reign, I vill say zis only once - MOJO.
Greetings from Co Donegal.
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pam w, Last Easter I was skiing in the morning when icy, and after lunch snowboarded when softer, my knees took a terrible hammering. I took until May to recover and doing some research discovered glucosamine. I am normally a sceptic in such matters but have been taking a couple of tablets a day and my joints are feeling a lot better. I have noticed that if I either ski or snowboard my knees do not hurt as much. I also do a lot of sailing in the summer and have taken to wearing knee pads when crawling around the foredeck and cockpit.
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Fogliettaz, yes, I take glucosamine too; not really sure whether it helps, but worth a go. You should definitely avoid crawling round on a boat without kneepads - I think dinghy sailors are second only to mogul skiers in hammering their knees! I know several quite keen and good (national standard) dinghy sailors who have had to give up competitive sailing because of knee problems. They weren't young, though.
My knees were noticeably worse last season - getting hot and swollen without much provocation. I am going to try some of these next season:
http://www.ossurwebshop.co.uk/knee-supports/bioskina-standard-knee-without-straps/prod_68.html
I would have thought skiing on icy slopes was a lot worse for your knees than snowboarding on soft ones.
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kill_reign, welcome to snowheads... i too am a big fan of glucosamine.. take it for three months and you will notice a difference i would wager... cant hurt.
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kill_reign, apart from the obvious, go see a doctor; you might want to have a hard look at your technique. Ask someone (a GOOD instructor) to check if your "A framing" which could put unnecessary stress on your knees, also get them to help you find a smoother style which need not be slower than your current "aggressive" skiing.
I would take it easy on the drugs, long term you might be masking damage that wont go away.
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You know it makes sense.
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I am still quite young at 53, I normally race offshore on yachts rather than dinghys although my son has promised to take me out on his 29er, after all I am the sponsor! awol, I might try footbeds for my ski boots next season although they seem very comfy as they are and my snowboard boots are like carpet slippers!
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Has anyone actually diagnosed the problem with your knees? The knee is rather a complicated joint and a number of factors may be the cause of your problems. The only sure way to find out is to see a Knee specialist. There are a number of sports injury clinics which is a good place to start. Unfortunately these cost money as most are private but could be money very well spent if they are able to diagnose the actual problem.
Good luck.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Had a hyperextension fall walking backwards carrying kids skis down snowy hill this year, not even skiing! Diagnosed with a bone bruising on MRI- told to do no impact 3 months,
Also always had problem knees . Started taking Arthro choice , a glucosamine and condroitin supplement,
It took 2 months before I noticed a difference, and had to do the full 3x/day dose- but now I am really feeling a difference even though I started running again.
Just read the pamphlet, and it actually advises that it can be several weeks before the benefits will be noticed, so just keep at it a while longer before you give up.
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thats promising thanks for that matey.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Perhaps you need to introduce skiing slowly through the year before the actual trip. This will help build the exact muscles that are needed and let your knees get accustomed to it before the intense week of skiing in winter. OR perhaps this could totally balls up your knees altogether!
The theory is that if you are a footballer there is no substitute for playing football. You can do all the weights and running you want you still need to play to strengthen the exact muscles.
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Have you tried drinking less/making sure you're better hydrated. When I get dehydrated i find my knees tend to hurt when skiing. This is common when on a weeks skiing holiday as a result of not hydrating enough during the day when out on the slopes & the obvious holiday drinks most evenings. I make sure i have my camelbak with me when skiing to make sure i stay hydrated. I also make sure i drink a load of water (1 pint min) before going to bed every night. With your pre-season training programme, staying well hydrated & glucosamine should certainly go a long way towards helping what's paining you.
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Take up snowboarding, it's much easier on the knees. 
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kill_reign, It sounds as though you need to go to see a specialist sports ortho doc. Regular ones will tend to tell you to stop doing things like skiing.  Obviously I can't say what your problem is or what the cure is, but are you sure you're standing well balanced on your skis? Most recreational skiers tend to stand too much on their heels and thus put lots of pressure on the knee joint. This might not be you, but if you're 'stacking' correctly you shouldn't feel any knee pressure.
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but if you're 'stacking' correctly you shouldn't feel any knee pressure.
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I generally don't feel "knee pressure" when I'm actually skiing (unless doing those "skiing aft" exercises), and I have no problem at all with quads - I can ski all day without ever getting a slight twinge around the quads - I ski quite a lot and my legs are strong enough for what I do, given that I only do rather genteel sort of skiing, on pretty ordinary terrain. My knee problem which started last year is rather different and suggests that although all the muscles in my legs are up to it (and I do work on those for some time before going skiing) my knees themselves are a very weak link. After a couple of hours of energetic skiing, especially if the surface is rather hard (which jars the knees, I suppose), my knees begin to feel quite "tired" - just the knees themselves, not muscles. That's bit of a warning sign to stop for the day, or at least take it very easy. If I don't, the knees end up feeling sore, and are red, warm and puffy - without any of the muscle ache you'd expect from being improperly stacked.
Warm enough to feel the heat through salopettes!
I have reluctantly concluded that it's age-related arthritis and I just need to take it a bit easy, and will try those "skins" things which are supposed to reduce swelling. I've had proper knee injuries in the past - and this is different. Comes on very slowly, and goes completely with a day or so off, and loads of ibuprofen.
But it sounds as though the OP is a lot younger than me, so let's hope he can sort something out.
Sorry - re-reading it, the point of this post is not too clear. My point was I think it's possible for knees to play up even if you are "properly stacked". At least, properly stacked most of the time, eh?
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It's less a case of staying away from the drink. You're on holiday. I know i drink like a fish when on holidays. Difference being like i said i try to make sure i'm constantly hydrated. This means drinking as much as i can throughout the day by carrying a camelbak with me & constantly drinking on the up lifts. Also making sure i drink atleast a pint or two of water or cordial throughout the evening & one before going to bed. Takes a fair bit of discipline but i know for me it certainly makes the difference. As when i don't pay too much heed to it, i definitely suffer particularly through constant knee pain.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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kill_reign, I'd support the see a biomechanichs / sports medicine specialist advice. It soumds as though you have malalignment and possibly Osteochondritis Dissicans (rather than Osgood Schlatters). The sooner you get your accurate diagnosis the better. A 1 stop clinic with scan and opinions might be £500 well invested for your future as a skier.
Welcome to by the way
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pam w, i know what you`re on about even if you dont i`m a thinking about a set of the skins too.
Mountain Haddock, yes I rapidly think this is becoming the main goal right now, surely I can do something with these damn knees of mine?
Would anyone be able to advise on any good ski physios in the Cental Scotland area? If not anywhere in Britain, I`m resolute and need a solution!! (blagging a holibag to London on the back of it would keep the mrs sweet too:)
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i drink like a fish when on holidays.
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frank4short, you haven't actually mentioned, but I suppose it is water you have in the camelbak?
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Poster: A snowHead
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i drink like a fish when on holidays
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Me too
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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kill_reign, Contact the Universities to see if they have suitable docs - they may have if they have a big sports/sports science/sports medicine programme.
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easiski, Or Snowsport Scotland and Snowsport GB, they are both based in Edinburgh.
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kill_reign, the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh has a faculty of sports medicine, you could start there
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kill_reign, learn to love the ambience rather than the thrill.
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kill_reign, what diagnosis have you actually been given? Where in your knees does it actually hurt? What did MRI and/or arthroscopy show? Needing a lateral release suggests you have something rather different going on than just ageing knees.
Osgood Schlatters is usually pretty easy to diagnose and - often literally - stands out a mile - with a very tender prominent tibial tuberosity below the knee itself. If it was that - I cannot see how a normal brace would unload it, as they seem more designed to restrict lateral and Antero-posterior movement rather than flexion/extension - but a Mojo might well help.
I think I might be trying to work out who the orthopods are for your local football teams - or elite skiers - and seeking referral to them.
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| hehe elite skiers I like that. |
That is why I suggested contacting SSGB or Snowsport Scotland, they could find out where team members have been treated.
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Mountain Haddock and stoatsbrother have wise words (I think) about malalignment and osteochondritis.
It might be worth trying patellar taping before your next dry slope day and see if it makes a difference (this would tend to confirm a patellar malaignment/tracking problem)
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEnotes/node/453
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Fri 7-08-09 9:50; edited 1 time in total
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FAQ
skier. Advanced all round ability i have been skiing for about 10 years, at first i just accepted it and didnt push too much with the pain. Until I gotta ski DVD of the Hit List and the same year went skiing with a physio who showed me a few techniques which helped alleviate my symptoms and told me I may even be pain free one day. Needless to say that was it and I was off...
(dry ski slope at edinburgh) largest in europe) well maybes still the largest?) you just gotta keep an eye out for a decent dump of rain before you head. Then during the season I tend to try and get about 10-20 days in the highlands skiing.
well whatever`s happening they ain`t opening me up now till after this season 