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Can anyone help me and please explain what a cloudburst is please?
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I think its a sudden heavy burst of rain literally as if the cloud above had burst
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Dunk, interesting choice of context, is there a reason this should be in BzK?
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It's when a pregnant goat thinks its pregnant and fills with fluid, when she decides she isn't pregnant the fluid is suddenly released and the term 'cloudburst' is used.
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carving downhill, turn skis across direction of travel to create your cloud, rotate back to starting position to "burst" through the cloud you just made.

personally I find it suprisingly difficult Confused
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gilo wrote:
carving downhill, turn skis across direction of travel to create your cloud, rotate back to starting position to "burst" through the cloud you just made.

personally I find it suprisingly difficult Confused


I've never heard it called by this name before, but it's an excellent drill.

My peeps from the Fast & Easy camp this summer will remember it as narrow/wide/narrow, where we put a wide track steer in the middle of the turn, then recover. It's very tricky to do this and not affect the turn shape. If making a long turn, if the wide track is executed at the middle of the turn (the apex), what often happen is that the turn shortens and quickly comes to an end. The proper thing to happen is to continue on in the long radius turn with the skis skidding sideways, then straighten the skis back out and finish the turn, all with the shape of the turn unaffected.

When this and other skills in this area get developed it's a big confidence builder for when skiing at speed. Once you get these skills you know you can bleed speed and quickly change direction whenever you want while skiing fast. The runaway train feeling goes away, replaced by a new authentic sense of safety and control.
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Dunk, carving turn, during phase 0 (instead of transition) turn skis across direction of travel (like a sideslip across the hill facing downhill), then turn skis back to original direction of travel but onto new edges (ie straight into phase 1). Very sporting on GS skis. Or any skis come to think of it! One of the ADC L2 critical drills to demo but I think only to early practice std.
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slikedges, FastMan, gilo, Thanks, it is for ADC L2, just having a practice before course but needed to find out what cloudbursts were.
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slikedges, so you're saying the skid happens during the transition, once the direction change from the old turn has been completed, but before you begin the new turn?

Dunk, it appears slikedges and I are describing the same move, but at a different point in the turn. While my version is a valuable training tool, it apparently is not the one you need for the test. Go with how slikedges is describing it.
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FastMan, yep, while you're describing a movement executed in phase 2 and completed in phase2/3. Seem to be two quite distinct drills. MIne is designed to test rotational skills, balance and fine steering control. I always find it scary and challenging in equal parts.

Dunk,
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FastMan, its a BASI drill and very tough one. finish the turn and twist 45 degrees with tips pointing into the new turn, skid and twist back to around half of the angle you twisted and edge hard into the new turn.

at speed i have seen a few cloudbursts which included poles, gloves and hat..... Toofy Grin

have also seen a variant of this where you twist slightly to the outside of the turn and then back to neutral and edge hard but at slower speeds
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Something like this?

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slikedges, The snow will be Hemel's finest next week, for the carving exercises. I will be practising tic tacs, charlestones etc on plastic.
Last week at Hemel I must have looked at bit daft doing most of my skiing on one leg. wink

Thank you everone for your useful and not so useful replies. Very Happy
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FastMan, yep, and a startling resemblance to skimottaret's demo of it too! Toofy Grin
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Dunk, hope you're going to be there a weekday am!
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slikedges, yes, not too early as the slope gets empty towards noon, or has every time visited so far. Last week was a bit tricky just had to be careful when setting off!!! Very Happy
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FastMan, yes, I remember that one! A little way to go before bursting through any clouds of snow, I fancy!
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Do we have any pictures of the goat, though?
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FastMan, I've seen those sequence style photos before, they are really useful for showing how something is carried out, perhaps more so than a video where the action can still be missed in the speed of the skier. The photos really break it down well Very Happy
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Dunk, ok though just be careful as after early morning the snow can get a bit soft for a potentially edge catching deal like cloudburst. Also the soft snow will mean you go slower and you'll neeed speeed!
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snowboarders do them bigger and harder Smile


I slammed today doing one, edge left the piste Sad
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Megamum, That is the reason Fastman has a lot of video sequenced that are slowed right down - and still frames inserted to view the important bits, and side by side comparisons of techniques etc...
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pam w, Haven't found one yet - sorry!
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FastMan, yes, I remember that one! A little way to go before bursting through any clouds of snow, I fancy!


Ahhh, just blame it on the late morning glacial slush! wink
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FastMan, I've seen those sequence style photos before, they are really useful for showing how something is carried out, perhaps more so than a video where the action can still be missed in the speed of the skier. The photos really break it down well Very Happy


Yes, Megamum, it can be really tough to see things happen in full speed video. That's why in my DVDs I do a lot of slow-mo, freeze frame, and slo-mo'ing back and forth over the move I'm trying to highlight. It's kind of like those pictures with a hidden image in them. You first look at the picture and all you see is a page of clutter, but once you find the hidden image it jumps right out at anytime you look.

Same thing happens with video, or even watching people ski in person. Once you know what you're looking for, it becomes so clear. I was riding up the lift with a student a couple seasons ago. We'd been working on making clean entry turns, getting rid of the tail pushing. My student looked down from our chairlift to observe an instructor skiing below us and asked, "why is he pushing his tails like that?".
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FastMan wrote:
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Rubbish...... You are clearly stem cristie'ing that turn.... have you not learned to carve yet? Laughing
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Jonny luv plums, snowboarders, is that why snow is always scrapped off
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FastMan, got a montage of the one you were originally thinking of?
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FastMan wrote:
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Rubbish...... You are clearly stem cristie'ing that turn.... have you not learned to carve yet? Laughing


Yeah, I know, not my best effort. I was compensating for coming into the move so far in the back seat! Embarassed wink
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FastMan, got a montage of the one you were originally thinking of?


I'll have a look around, but I don't think so, Comprex.
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If you were wondering "why?", here's a link DB put up on the current "race techniques" thread. Ligety doing exactly this drill (although maybe deliberately braking a bit more that would be expected).

http://www.ronlemaster.com/articles/skidding-SR6_TechTalk.pdf
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