 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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matricks, Well congratualtions to you - now all you have to decide is whether you are going to need to add a helmet to that new gear shopping list!!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Megamum
Thanks very much 
And on the helmet front ive had a read of the epic thread and in a nutshell wear a helmet all the time and have done eversince i got into skiing. I wear a helmet on the snow beacuse its slippy stuff by nature and all it takes is a knock in the wrong place - this doesnt have to happen when on the slope - my stepmum had a trip to the hospital in Austria as a result of a slip when walking to the slopes - thankfully she was ok albeit a few stitches later. In a nutshell helmets are there for a reason - to protect the head - introduce conditions conducive for slipping around and it doesnt make sense not to really.
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| matricks wrote: |
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.. in a nutshell wear a helmet all the time |
groan!!
Seriously - well done on the achievement!!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Butterfly
lol - guess i should have seen that coming..
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matricks, nice one  , did the military pay for your training and civilian basi membership? i have a friend (good skier) that is thinking about joining up and was wondering if he could do instructing when in....
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| matricks, nice one , did the military pay for your training and civilian basi membership? i have a friend (good skier) that is thinking about joining up and was wondering if he could do instructing when in.... |
Cheers,
The military paid for it, the only thing i paid for was the Basi Membership fee, though i can claim this back, so i got it for "free". The process to get to the JSSI (A) can be a long one - though this can be abridged as your friend is a good skiier. However, because the Ski Instructors course is within the Adventurous Training sphere - your friend will have to do a few other Ski Touring and Nordic Skiing courses first but these are actually a really good crack and recommended - plus when you have them done you can get on the expeditions - like the one this year to ski tour/ mountaineer up the northface of Mont Blanc then ski down!!!!!!!!!
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| ike the one this year to ski tour/ mountaineer up the northface of Mont Blanc then ski down!!!!!!!!! |
Ah, good. our tax £ being spent on excellent combat training then.
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matricks, well done!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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under a new name, i dont have a problem with the Army lads having a go at this stuff as i can see it doing a lot of good as matricks, spells out but i have seen some guys training with Navy and Air Force ski team jackets on which is a bit of a step too far on the tax dollar front... you dont need mountain skills in a submarine.
Whatever happened to boxing as an interservice sport. 
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skimottaret
Re the RAF and Navy Ski jackets, ill put those down to when there used to be interservice alpine skiing championships, this has died off somewhat - most likley due to a lack of funding and available personnel. I would IMHO say that there isnt to much wrong with wearing these (apart from looking like a "big timer") It obviously advertises the fact that the services are involved in skiing - a positive thing - and also MAY help with recruitment and retention.
In order to shed some light on the forces view of alpine skiing i will try and be succinct.
Skiing is conducted as part of Adventurous Training (AT), all courses for this are sponsored and paid for by the Army. AT is conducted to fulfill the following aim:
"To develop, through authorised challenging pursuits and within and outdoor environment, leadership and the qualities necessary to enhance performance of military personnel during peace and war"
This on its own could spawn a lengthy thread about the pros and cons the whys and wherfores of how Alpine skiing fulfills this - but my 2p is:
Alpine skiing is able to fulfil these requirements by taking individuals out of their comfort zone, irrespective of ability, and placing them in a situation where they are required to perform. Across the ability level it is necessary to integrate into a team and apply skills taught in the Alpine environment to enhance individual and group ability.
Alpine skiing is not a simple skill, it requires commitment and effort in order to progress and improve performance and capability be it through increased personal fitness, motivation to meet the challenge of a complex and demanding run, or simply through the desire to improve; all of these aspects form the foundations for enhancement of military personnel in and out of the alpine environment.
In addition - Command, Leadership and Management are a necessity in the mountain environment, these are continually developed through the attainment of progressive AT qualifications of which alpine skiing forms an integral and crucial element.
The Army have moved away from single Alpine skiing qualifications/ courses because they were deemed to be better when incorporated with additional elements such as ski touring, Nordic/ x country courses. It is now impossible to attain Alpine Skiing qualifications without also getting Touring or Nordic quals at the same time. This widens the individuals exposure to real skiing - Telemarking  and Touring and pushes personnel IOT acheive the aim of AT.
It is worth noting that AT courses are vastly different to Unit/ Service Ski Trips. AT is "free" whereas Unit/ Service Ski Trips are subsidised from funds specifically designed to provide for this type of activity - (the majority of this money comes from contributions from personnel to these Unit funds in the form of monthly or yearly "subs" - and the rest is from schemes such as the Army Sports Lottery) Eg for a ski trip to france i would expect to pay around 50% of the total cost - the rest would be subsidised. But in order to organise and conduct such a trip Qualified ski instructors have to be present... 
...waiting out...
Oh PS - The services still "do" boxing 
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You know it makes sense.
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matricks, I'm just jealous. 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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matricks, Congratulations. The joint services qualification used to be nowhere near as good as the old BASI 3, and indeed on Cairngorm they were banned at one time. Then the courses started being run by BASI and were equivalent to the old Grade 3 (Level 2 now). I don't know why it's now only classed as Level 1. However teaching services personnel is very different to teaching civilians. I won't bore you with the stories, but it was interesting when I got those groups up on the 'gorm! 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| matricks wrote: |
| ........Memoaning about tax £ being spent on an expedition that requires, leadership, courage, commitment, navigational excellence, teamwork and a high degree of physical fitness is hardly a waste of money........ |
It certainly isn't. Mind you, as an ex JSMEL I am a little biased (and also impressed with your ski qualification - congratulations).
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Fri 27-03-09 15:50; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I won't bore you with the stories
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easiski, please do!
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The last time somebody complained about spending money on this kind of thing it was pointed out how much more is spent on "team building" events by industry.
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| skisimon wrote: |
| ......It's worth noting, as matricks again alludes to, that AT has to be developmental ..... |
I found that the sort of people who di adventurous training (AT) were also very much the sort of people I wanted in my flights/squadrons during my time in the RAF. To some extent it was inherent in them, but I have no doubt that the characteristics were honed by AT.
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matricks, and congratulations too. 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| you dont need mountain skills in a submarine |
You'd be surprised!
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FAQ
- yet all my teaching (in reality) will be on real snow 
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