 Poster: A snowHead
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Off to LDA next weekend with my 13 year old daughter, lessons booked with easiski. Booking an additional lesson also in the park with lungostyle but she wants me to do it too. FFS I'm 50 and seriously out of shape and it will be on our 7th day of skiing, jumps, halfpipes and me don't mix! Fatherly love has a lot to answer to!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I honestly don't think either of you will be safe in the park after 7 days of skiing, unless you are just watching.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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micky, We skied 13 days out of 14 last Easter and she can ski forever!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Colin B, agree with micky. Snowparks are dangerous places.
A presentation at the 2007 ISSS Congress in Aviemore (page 3) demonstrated:
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In the snowparks, for all sports included, we observed :
• More dangerous localizations (chest, skull, spine) than on the slopes : 17,8% to 27,6%
• More wrist fractures : 8,4% to 13,2%
• More dislocations : 3;6% to 6%
• More cranial traumatisms (CT) : 2,3% to 3,2%
• An increased gravity of accidents : 4,6% to 7,1% Significant results with P < 0,05, Khi2 |
More worrying are the reports on jump design (see page 43 onwards of proceedings of ISSS 2007).
There are no standards, and it would seem very little science.
So you take pot luck whenever you try a jump: the landing zone may be completely inappropriate.
I do couloirs. I don't do jumps.
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Hmm you guys aren't very re-assuring! I will always wimp out jump by jump I'm not too proud, I tried the half pipe in Zermatt at half term but took a pretty timid line I must admit. My other strategy is get some of the other younger skiers she meets out there to take my place. This is lungostyle BTW 
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BTW we both wear helmets all the time 
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Colin B, We've met him.....he's a pretty cool guy.
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Colin B,
Go for it!! At PSB 06 the snow was crap so we spend alot of time assing about on the wee rollers in the park. FtS was a master of the rollers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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R32, Do you fancy a park lesson with him on the 11th? 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just to add to this chorus - I was going up a draglift last year and saw a skier attempting a rail, in a park right alongside the lift. He landed with one leg either side. I felt the pain. A few weeks later saw a pisteur alongside a casualty on the same jump. Looked serious - nothing much happening. More assistance arrived - began to look even more serious. A helicopter arrived.... I never did find out what happened. I'm not a wimp. well, not really. I do occasionally go out on a snowboard and I have had some very painful falls (and I'm far older than you). But park? No. I don't do couloirs OR jumps, but I wouldn't mind working on the skills to do the former. One day, maybe.
Ray Zorro, you were very brave. Not wise, but braver me than me. 
My younger son is now 32. Expert skier, pretty cool boarder. Loves powder, several seasons in the Alps, used to be really daft. For example he smashed his ankle toboganning in Alpbach, dislocated a shoulder leaping off a cliff when he was 18, broke his nose by doing a forbidden dive off a roof into a swimming pool and never told us till an ENT specialist was shining a light up his nose and asked when he'd broken it). He'll have a good go at natural kickers, leaping over pistes, skiing backwards, etc etc. But not parks. He says he's far too old and at 32 he doesn't mend as quickly as he used to.
I admire your fatherly love, Colin. If you want to do something alongside your daughter, get some snowboarding lessons together. She'll be far better than you, but that's the point, isn't it? 
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You know it makes sense.
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Colin. If you want to do something alongside your daughter, get some snowboarding lessons together. She'll be far better than you, but that's the point, isn't it?
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Nooo we ski together and of course she's better than me. Anyway email to book the lesson sent, small jumps I'm up for, definitely no rails.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Jonpim, that's why you inspect the jump and the landing before doing it. Anyone who just jumps without even scoping it out is an absolute idiot.
pam w, did I misunderstand or did you say you're not a wimp because you snowboard too? How is snowboarding proving that you're a not a wimp?  Apologies if I misunderstood.
Colin B, if you're with someone who knows what he's doing you'll be fine. Just know how far to push it. I also wouldn't worry about the injury statistics. Why let statistics dictate your life! Have some fun. You'll enjoy it.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Colin B, your instructor shouldn't be called an instructor if he takes you far beyond your obvious confidence and ability levels. most parks have a green line for the beginners. afterall, everyone, including the experts had to start somewhere.
i'm in the process of learning freestyle after having no interest in it at all to begin with - i just wanted to learn to snowboard properly, and i'm still getting there. learning to do freestyle allows me to mix up my riding and make it more interesting. give the park lesson a go - you may be pleasantly surprised.
most importantly, do it at your own pace. if your daughter loves skiing as much as we all think she does, she won't wanna lose her ticket to the alps over the next few years (i.e. you!) and besides, she also skis with you so she knows what your ability levels are.
hope you have an amazing time in lda. oh, and get yrself some impact shorts!
edited to correct poor spelling
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon 30-03-09 19:40; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Colin B, so. that's cleared that up then...
1. you are mad, don't do it, jumps are x more times risky than normal skiing
2. Go for it! how hard can it be? ignore the naysayers and doom-mongers and have some fun before you get too old!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Timmaah, what I meant was that I'm not afraid of falling over - or I wouldn't have taken up snowboarding when I was an old age pensioner. I also fall more than my companions whilst skiing, often, because I try things which make me fall over - whereas many skiers, especially older ones (and the OP made a particular point about being "old") are far too anxious to avoid falling over. As far as I am concerned, at my age, not being a wimp means not being afraid to try new stuff and fall over. And not giving up the moment you do. At your age, I dare say, it's different. You wait, young man!!
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As a skier I've never even tried a rail (as opposed to the things a few inches accross - don't know what they are called). A boarder only has to get the rail somewhere between his 2 feet but a skier has to get the rail directly under each foot or he'll fall off. Quite apart from not wanting to grind my precious edges steel to steel!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Well I misunderstood your initial post Colin B, I thought you were a beginner.
I started doing the little jumps at LDA after I reached about 3 weeks experience. These are about 1 metre high, probably the smallest jumps in the park on the glacier at LDA in the Summer. After 2 summer trips I'm still doing the same jumps, until I get confident over them I won't try anything bigger.
A friend, who has won international freestyle events so he knows what he is talking about says , when doing jumps "speed is your friend".
good luck, Mike
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micky, No problem I meant 7th day in a row on that trip, not 7th day in total. I can see how it could be misunderstood. 1m max sound fine to me too.
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Agreed, Hubby has bought one in anticipation of his return to skiing after his broken neck. This one seemed to offer good protection for his shoulder blades too, as he is still hurting there.
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Colin B,
ddooooooodde, go shred brother, jibbing is totally sick
dont forget to lower your ski pants well below your a*se
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What is jibbing ?
What is buttering ?
What is a couloir ?
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Colin B, Do you think that you're fit enough to jump of a dustbin onto concrete? . . . well you probably are, good for you . . . Now, are you fit enough to jump off said dustbin when it's being pushed along at 20mph?
. . . no, I didn't think so
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| that's why you inspect the jump and the landing before doing it. Anyone who just jumps without even scoping it out is an absolute idiot. |
Agreed. but you need to know what to look for. How do you learn that?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I'm sure I'll be super stoked  (if I survive that is)
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''speed is your friend''
Not if you overshoot the landing and do some nice ligament damage.
Seriously though, this shouldn't have provoked so much discussion. The OP said he was getting the lesson, the instructor will not have folks skiing features above the level of the people in his class. Chances are he will use progression from just airing off small rollers then move on to smaller kickers.. if he thinks the OP or anyone else is not up to an acceptable standard he won't suggest they do the jump. Simple.
Go, don't worry about it and enjoy yourself!!
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You know it makes sense.
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| that's why you inspect the jump and the landing before doing it. Anyone who just jumps without even scoping it out is an absolute idiot. |
Agreed. but you need to know what to look for. How do you learn that? |
You go with someone who knows what hes doing, which the OP is...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Colin B,
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| I meant 7th day in a row on that trip, not 7th day in total. |
Ok, that put my mind at rest. I've spent all day at work wondering how obsessed you are with skiing to have posted 1480 times with one week's skiing under your belt
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well the Freestyle lesson took place this afternoon, but without me. My daughter met up with another mini who also wanted a go so they shared a 2 hour private lesson.
It was much more fun and far less dangerous watching them on the jumps, boxes and halfpipe. than doing it myself.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Colin B, Discretion is definitely the better part of valour. Who would pay the blls if you got injured?
I am not sure your health would be too good if Natalie knew you were calling her a mini either....
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FAQ
Isn't there a saying about not teaching old men skiing tricks :!
You will have a great time....mind he skis the Valentin on one leg....backwards 