 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi -
Have a pair of Salomon Dialogue boots - 2007 season model.
Have been great so far BUT had lots of problems with them last weekend whilst in Chamonix :
- heel lift on right foot (never experienced before)
- small toe cramps after a few hours
- unusually tired legs after a few hours
Obviously, these issues affected my boarding - really keen to sort out.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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what bindings are you using?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hi Boardiecouk - using Salomon SPX4s.
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hmm, were you using two pairs of socks or anything? - the SPX4s look to be a fairly sturdy type of binding & should be a good fit for your boots-
Could be premature wear in the boots.
The tired legs aren't a surprise if you've got the other symptoms going on (heel lift and cramps in the toes could mean you're compensating for a problem somewhere and that'll easily lead to you getting tired quicker as you're probably tense and in an unusual position.)
The toe cramps could be overtightened toe straps, or again a symptom of a problem elsewhere.
How much riding have you done in this setup? - have you removed your bindings from the board (or has someone serviced your board and poss removed and replaced them?) and or changed the angles, spacing, highback angle etc?
Could be that the boots have broken in a little bit and you're looser than you should be in them. - then if you tighten the straps more to compensate you start to have probs elsewhere....
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franga, Do you ride regular or goofy? The heel lift could have been down to a looser than normal rear binding although its not a good idea to strap the bind down so tight that it crushes the boot. When I was riding at Le Tour, there are lots of flat sections and my legs got very tired. I also found myself riding with my back leg almost lifting my heel, to keep my weight forward and hold a slight toe edge on the flat sections.
Belting down the reds there and at Flegere and Brevent, I didn't get tired at all, so it may not be your boots.
The best thing, for piece of mind, is probably to go and get the boots re-heat moulded and see if it makes a difference. If they have sat in your loft over the summer (lofts get really hot in summer) then they could have reverted to the as-new foam shape.
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that's true a long traverse on a flat section could have lead to you stressing your toes and heels and tiring your legs from setting them in the same position - a way to avoid this is to alternate as much as possible between riding fakie and forwards.
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Thanks for your comments!
I think the fatigue symptoms are due to me being tense when riding as boots / board not responsive enough ...
Have not changed set-up for a couple of years now ...
Think I might take them to Ellis Brigham (even though I bought them in Whistler) - not sure whether they're able to do anythign with the moulding of the liner (reheat etc) or insert some support between liner and boot?
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Should be able to for a minimal cost 
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franga, it was explained to me that heat moulding was the equivalent of maybe 2 or 3 days riding to get the boot to fit, and as you seem to have recently been boarding then I am not too sure what extra heat moulding will do, but maybe worth a try!
if all else fails make sure you tighten your boot laces better  and wear an extra tight sock (two sizes too small) for the offending heel lift foot
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I'm not so sure about the whole heat moulding thing either - I've never bothered getting my 32's done - they fit well as is.
Be careful with extra socks too though - doesn't always work! - think Ray's onto something with the bootlaces... 
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boardiecouk, seriously though, getting the boot laces really tight from the first to last lace hole of the boot (especially around the ankle) is essential if the boot is a bit slack 
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yeah I know, I'm with you - wasn't joking! - though I tend to do mine tight at the bottom and then anchor that off and then not so tight at the top so that the boots can still flex at the ankles!
My point about the socks was that (depends on the type of socks tubes/technical etc) but sometimes the socks can swivel inside each other.
apologies for the smiley face on the laces, I think I just thought that was the basics!
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Thank you guys - appreciated.
Going out to Val d Isere in a few weeks so will give them another go ...
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You know it makes sense.
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the cramps are the toe straps too tight, a common mistake with those spx type bindings, for the rest I think your boot is too big.
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