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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Spuddfluff, All mountain twin tips cover all of the aforementioned bases. I wouldn't go for a dedicated park ski with a more forward binding mount. Remember... these skis were designed to ride switch, jump, do daft stunts etc in powder and off random cliffs, many of them are great off piste skis... and twin tips make it much easier to maneuver backwards and forwards in tight spaces without the tails digging in.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Tue 27-01-09 0:42; edited 1 time in total
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Spuddfluff, I'm no expert, just picked up on a few things from the people who do know. Having the binding set forwards is specifically for the park, it reduces stability a bit and makes carving and powder skiing a little harder. But it's easier to spin in the air and ski and land switch.
If you want the skis to carve, blast though powder etc then stick with standard. They will still be fine for stunts and spinning but more stable at speed. Many people are using twins nowadays as they don't seem to ski any different to a flat tail (well not that I can notice)... a race skier might complain that the tails don't grip as well in high speed tight turns. Twins do ski slightly longer though as a little more of the length is sticking up into the air so add 5cm or so to your usual ski length.
I'll stick with twins as my all quiver ski to take on any conditions. I'm using 98mm underfoot with a tightish turn radius of 19m, a pure powder ski usually has a longer turn radius to stop it being so grabby. I've only been sking 12 weeks and still have loads to learn but am having great fun playing around with gullies and drops. Now if only I could link several turns switch without going a@se over t1t 
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Yes, twins are not necessarily made just for the park, I tour on twins and are very handy for getting out of tight spots without the tails burying themselves....
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philw, I've found that a few times in forests where I've had to reverse from a dead end... right into a snowbank where I'd stick like a demented cocktail ornament Also went up a wall in the park, skied down backwards on semi lifted tail skis, and jammed the tails into the junction between snow and wood, flicking me like a fishing rod cast right onto my coccyx. I could hardly ski at all the next day I was in that much pain.
I suppose my use is 5% park, 40% off piste, 30% groomed and 25% moguls. Just can't see any disadvantage to twins for that type of usage.
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I'm not an expert either, and there are plenty of propeller snowheads out there to correct me, but I thought a more forward(central) binding placement is preferred for carving (as well as park/switch stability), and that it actually makes it more difficult not to carve, ie to parrallel ski, on todays shorter radius skis.
(This can actually make it quite tiring if you're skiing with an intermediate group and have to ski slowly.)
I think rentals, and ski's aimed at all-mountain, tend to move the ball-of-foot position backwards, thereby making it easier to ski parrallel, on or off-piste. Less effort to slide the tails of the skis out in turn if your foot is further back, which kinda defeats the object of shorter radius skis.
but in answer to your question, twins will be fine every where, don't worry about it. Though if you've spent a day dulling the edges on rails, don't expect them to help you hold an edge on ice the next morning.
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scarr, Actually I think you are correct, but I wouldn't advise too far forward. I was coming more from the 'stability at speed' position. Most modern skis seem to have the standard position marked a lot more central then they used to, especially on things like twin tips. Mine even have two lines - one labelled 'RIDE' and one 'AIR'. There is not that much distance between them really.
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I'm definitely not an expert but I find with twin tips you can smear turns better in soft snow and on steeps, also you don't have to be Tanner Hall to have fun on a ski with a bit of pop and a softer tail makes landing even small jumps easier.
When mounting bindings I think, if in doubt, mount them on the line.
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I only ski twin tips these days and my favourites have to be K2 Public Enemeys (now called Extremes). Other very similar skis are the new Solomon Suspect and the Scott Punisher. These skis will tick all the boxes for on and off piste, powder, jumps and riding switch as well as ease of use.
Another great ski is the X Wing Tornado although it is not a twin it is very wide and more than capable on and off piste.
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troublemaker, Yup... great fun. I suspect that rental skis will be mounted either std or more rarely set up as as dedicated park ski.
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Spuddfluff, And maybe try a few... the shops will swap models. I've loved some skis and hated others. Waste of time on dry slope though.
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You know it makes sense.
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If you are renting why not try several skis most shops will be happy to change skis for you each day if you are renting top of the range equipment.
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TT's can let go of the turn unless you ski them longer..IME... which is a bit naughty when binning the piste. I don't think they are any sort of carving tool. They have their place but I wouldn't use one as an all-rounder. If you want to do any high-speed piste work, get soemthing that can handle both. TT's off-piste ? no probs, great... but for hacking down a red....hmmmm..!!!!!!!! Not for me.
Horses for courses...as ever
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Poster: A snowHead
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned rooster tails either!! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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TT's can let go of the turn unless you ski them longer..IME... which is a bit naughty when binning the piste. I don't think they are any sort of carving tool. They have their place but I wouldn't use one as an all-rounder. If you want to do any high-speed piste work, get soemthing that can handle both. TT's off-piste ? no probs, great... but for hacking down a red....hmmmm..!!!!!!!! Not for me.
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That's just user error 
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Many piste skis have a semi upturned tail. Not much difference from the snows point of view.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Spuddfluff, Now go and have fun!!!
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Get yourself some K2 extremes, I did
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FAQ
Its because of this I have no idea about skis, all I know is that twin tips help for going backwards.
I mean how could something so flexible withstand the angles of a mislanded huck?
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