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I hope I'm not breaking any rules of the forum here but I'd be interested in the views of other forum users.
Chill Factore in Manchester has a women only session. I see this as sexism as one sex (men) are discriminated against purely on account of their sex. Am I wrong or am I right?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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My heart goes out to all the men who are oppressed by this terrible policy 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@boisdevie, have you asked Chillfactore if they will do a Men-Only session?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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And there's nothing casual about it; carefully planned, I'd say.
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I think wimmins' skis are sexist. Why shouldn't a bloke have pink floral graphics and white fluffy boots?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| @boisdevie, have you asked Chillfactore if they will do a Men-Only session? |
They say there's not enough interest which in itself is interesting. They basically said the women only session is justified because it's popular but they're assuming that the women there would not normally go to a mixed session. Following their logic it would also be possible to have a straight people only session or a white people only session provided it was popular.
If they were bothered about encouraging diversity I suggested they do sessions for BAME people as there are very few non-white faces at Chill Factore - they said they're not going to.
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They also have special over 50's coaching sessions (open to male or female). Am I offended (being a tender 63) that I am considered "old" and in need of "special" coaching? Nope, not in the least. Besides, they are cheaper than normal lessons, so are a bargain in my eyes.
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| Arno wrote: |
| My heart goes out to all the men who are oppressed by this terrible policy |
I wonder if you'd find it so comic if Chill Factore had a no gay people session or a no black people session. Descrimination on the basis of sex is just as bad as that on the basis of ethnicity or sexual orientation.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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It’s political correctness gone mad!!!!1!!!1!
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@Arno, 
@under a new name, Go for it! I'm sure you could find something suitable (ish) in your size, though the boots might be trickier due to different physiology.
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| boisdevie wrote: |
| Care to explain to me why stopping one sex from using a facility isn't sexist? |
Are you prohibited from using the slope when the ladies session is running, perhaps because the delicate women would be frighted at the sight of rugged men displaying their prowess as they charge down the short, gentle ski slope?
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You know it makes sense.
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@boisdevie, I know there are girls only instruction groups in Chamonix, specifically as (even in Chamonix), mixed groups are often dominated by testesterone loaded blokes.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@boisdevie, Are you actually serious, or just trolling a ski forum?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| @boisdevie, Are you actually serious, or just trolling a ski forum? |
+1
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@boisdevie, tell them that you self identify as a woman and you’ll be golden
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| @boisdevie, Are you actually serious, or just trolling a ski forum? |
I am very very serious. I find discrimination a very serious business. Don't you?
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @boisdevie, I know there are girls only instruction groups in Chamonix, specifically as (even in Chamonix), mixed groups are often dominated by testesterone loaded blokes. |
Exactly this. Also, if you join one of these groups as a woman (probably the only woman), there's often a hint of "why are we letting the girls come along?", or it's banter central (not generally female friendly), or there's some sleazy twonk in there somewhere who we would prefer to avoid. To gain respect in such a group, you can't be the weakest group member, you have to be one of the better skiers. But they don't like that...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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No i dont
A business should have the right to choose the target audience.
Political correctness can go  off
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Fri 21-12-18 18:34; edited 1 time in total
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| boisdevie wrote: |
| Arno wrote: |
| My heart goes out to all the men who are oppressed by this terrible policy |
I wonder if you'd find it so comic if Chill Factore had a no gay people session or a no black people session. Descrimination on the basis of sex is just as bad as that on the basis of ethnicity or sexual orientation. |
If you can't see the context here, you won't understand any explanation, it's either a very poor attempt at a wind up or someone needs to get some life skills.
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Chill Factore did do a men only session a few years ago - as said above, they apparently scrapped it because there wasn't enough interest. My OH was annoyed they stopped it, mainly because the sessions were good value - I haven't been for ages, but I seem to remember it was £15 for a couple of hours, which included free cake/tea/coffee at the end!
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If I was going on a crusade over inequality, women only ski classes at the snowdome isn’t the place I’d start
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Can i moan about t & j bars/pommel/pull lifts or any other variery....
As a snowborder I find them discriminating
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| Arno wrote: |
| If I was going on a crusade over inequality, women only ski classes at the snowdome isn’t the place I’d start |
Depends what the women look like 
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| Arno wrote: |
| If I was going on a crusade over inequality, women only ski classes at the snowdome isn’t the place I’d start |
Indeed.
I think you're looking to be offended. So to answer the question in your first post, no, you're wrong.
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That womens only session has been running for over 6 years.
Whilst I was a bit conflicted about it at first, it was spot on for my wife who is a little snow flake when it comes to skiing. Joking aside, she is a rather nervous skier and found chatting with other women improved the social aspect of being there and helped her forget a little about the dred of turning up each week
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You know it makes sense.
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@boisdevie, If you want to go to the Ladies session surely you can tell them you are identifying as female for that day....
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Is it sexist that one of the largest Airline groups in the world will resolutely not roster two female pilots in the cockpit?
Things go wrong in ways that are mitigated by an all male or a mixed pilot team.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@under a new name, if there was an all female crew, who would reverse the plane off the apron?
###RUNS###
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@boisdevie, in case youv'e yet to notice, many sports are divided by gender.
Is it right or wrong? How do football, netball, cricket teams of defined gender make you feel?
Go and do something useful in a gender environment of your choice and stop wasting other's time.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@boredsurfin, some one had to say it and I'm brave (stupid) enough to!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@PaulC1984, apron? why are the pilots wearing aprons ...
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@under a new name, because they are women and they should never be without one ??!!....
###RUNS FASTER###
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| PaulC1984 wrote: |
@under a new name, if there was an all female crew, who would reverse the plane off the apron?
###RUNS### |
But there is always a bloke outside guiding them
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@boisdevie, might be best to go and deal with real issues that women face than trying to pick a fight here. Maybe there are women who for cultural reasons do not wish to be in mixed groups? Would you have an issue with that? If so think you need to think about the point you are trying to make.
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@boisdevie, do you think men only sessions are necessary to assist with solving the chronic underrepresentation of men in the sport? How does the lack of these disadvantage you?
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