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Can anybody explain how, on one day, one can exercise efficiently and happily, with no more discomfort than the breathlessness and sweatiness which are the whole point of the exercise and, on the very next day, feel as though one is moving one's limbs through a tank filled with wet cement? Or is it just me? Everything else seemed equal ie no hangover, late night, or suchlike, in between. Puzzling. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Too much culture maybe 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Same muscle set or different?
Same exertion level?
Same nutrition timing?
My four explanations, in vague priority order:
1) you used the same muscles last night beyond a one-day-recovery intensity and have nothing left for tonight.
2) blood sugar low
3) dehydration
4) unusual range of motion or untrained muscle set
You could, of course, also 5) be coming down with something, and 6) have indeterminate external stress or lack of focus
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Wed 1-10-08 0:19; edited 1 time in total
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comprex, same, pretty much on all counts, I think.
PhillipStanton, well, yeah, I did go to the opera last night, but that doesn't usually affect my exercise routine!
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Hurtle, do you structure the week for microcycles, for example
Mon - off , stretches, other things
Tue - light target workout
Wed - moderate to hard target workout
Thu - off
Fri - light
Sat - long or intense or both
Sun - moderate
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comprex, oops, sorry, you added a bit more. In answer to your numbered points:
1) I exercised in the middle of the day on both days and don't think I did an unusual amount yesterday.
2) Unlikely, I had a light, balanced meal about an hour and a half before exercising.
3) That's possible, thinking about it.
4) Also possible, I guess. Hope not.
As regards structuring exercise cycles, it's a bit hit and miss, depending on timing of freelance work and other things happening in the evenings. Now that the ski season is in sight, and the first week booked (course of lessons, for which fitness will be important) I'm trying to exercise every day, as per Kramer's advice. Doesn't always happen, though. I probably don't approach the whole exercise shtick sufficiently scientifically, if truth be told - the whole damn thing is fairly hit and miss. 
Oh well, two hour Pilates class tomorrow, plus some more culture in the evening, should sort me out. Or not. 
Thanks for outlining the possible causes. This has happened to me before and I think I'll keep an eye on the factors that you mention.
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Nooooo! I've been saying for the last month that I must resurrect my gym membership and get myself down there - reckon it's got to happen this month and pretty soon. I'll see if there's a suitable personal trainer there - I had one for a few months last year who was also qualified as a ski instructor - very good! He knew exactly what I should be working on 
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cathy, don't panic!  In fact not that much of my exercise is ski-oriented in any event. There's a history of heart disease on both sides of my family - were it not for that, I probably wouldn't get my fat ar$e over to the gym at all!
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Hurtle, I run three to five times per week, between 45 and 90 mins. I think I suffer from a similar issue, even on days where I should feel bad I can even doing a short run. My wife is the same, she always runs 45min (the same route) around 5 times per week, some days it kills her, most she breezes through it - she thinks it psychological as she is very fit and careful about what she eats / drinks.
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parlor, yes, it's in my warm-up - which is the same every time - that I know, straight away, that I'm off-form. Will be interesting to see what comprex has to say about your experience: I suppose it could be one of the other factors that he mentions eg non-recovery?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Anyone else think this was going to be another Carol Vorderman related thread?
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Vorderman later said that she had "put on a stone from the stress of being sacked from Countdown"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Vorderman
Hurtle,
Do you incorporate a cool down phase after exercise?
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DB, sort of, in that I do a lot of Pilates stretching - about 20 minutes or so.
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You know it makes sense.
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Hurtle,
I've experienced similar after hard exercise without a cool down phase. Basically I do very light exercise @ a heart rate of ca 100-110 bpm (Active recovery) for 10 to 15 mins at the end of my workout. Streching is something I do after a warm up phase before intense exercise.
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/tipsandtricks/a/activerecovery.htm
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, I , like Kramer exercise at least 5 x / wk and tend to feel tired most days to a greater or lesser extent. However, some days, for no reason that I can identify, the session can be really easy. I just wish that it happened more often 
My view is that variation in muscular fatigue levels is normal.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Some days you just can't be bothered 
I find the amount of water I drink really affects me. I drink a lot of water anyway but if I forget to take some when I'm out cycling then my legs can start to feel like lead. I also find that if I haven't drunk my usual amount during the day it can feel harder at the gym at night, even if I drink water while exercising there.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Nick L,
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My view is that variation in muscular fatigue levels is normal.
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I'll buy that.
lynseyf,
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I find the amount of water I drink really affects me
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And that.
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Hurtle, as I see it the one thing not touched on in the thread so far has been recovery phase nutrition.
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I don't know much about exercise, but isn't there something about microfractures in the muscle tissue and the reason why long distance runners have ice baths that could factor here or is that some different thing entirely?
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I think it could be loads of things, what you've eaten, drank, sort of day you've had etc, etc.