 Poster: A snowHead
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A quick re-cap of an article in the times today. I think this may have been mentioned on the ski club site before.
Val Thorens estimate that they pick up 30,000 fag butts from under each chairlift. To counter this they are selling little tins for £1 so that smokers can take their ends home.
VT say its plan isnt working too well but feel they need to do something to counter the mess and environmental damage.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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A sign saying "No smoking on the chairlift" might work a little better?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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In France? You're having a laugh. Might as well say "no breathing on the chairlifts"
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 I knew there was a reason I never go skiing in France...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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The sexuallity of piste users has never been a concern of mine...........
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Yeah, I read the title and thought it was a skier complaining about mobile moguls, or "snowboarders" as they like to call themselves. 
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This photo of a cigarette butt in the snow comes to you courtesy of the Australian ski resort of Mount Buller. I just thought this thread deserved a nice illustration.
They say that it takes 1-2 years for the fag end to decompose. Has anyone thought of putting ASH TRAYS on chairlifts, or is this ROCKET SCIENCE?
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OK, I confess, I'm a snowhead smoker. Ashamedly, I have also been known to throw the odd fag end from a chairlift (though never onto the piste - always aim for pylon bases). I try to justify this to myself by remembering how ugly most ski resorts are in the summer, and that a few fags ends will hardly be noticed amongst all the builders rubble and hardened cement that can be found all over the mountain. However I know that this is a pathetic excuse. I like the idea of the little tins on sale in Val T (I'd definitely buy one), though even better would be if they could just weld a little metal ashtray onto the chair lift. Although best of all obviously would be if I, and all the French ski instructors, could give up smoking. 
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I would of thought putting an ashtray on a chairlift is about as much use as putting one on a motor-cycle. The wind is going to blow ash everywhere, after a while the ashtrays (and therefore chairlifts) will stink anyway.
The French ski instructors have specifically asked people not to throw fags onto the piste as it makes them very dfficult to light afterwards. 
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Went skiing in Austria about three years ago and the German instructor had one of those tins. Great idea. If "we" smokers do want to pollute the air (and the ground!) then I can't see that it would be much of a hardship.
However, I also agree that there is not much evidence of bins for fags (or indeed other rubbish) at useful locations round the top and bottoms of lifts where people tend to gather. If there were, then I think people would make more of an effort.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I don't think non smokers quite understand the mentality of your average smoker.
They don't care. Its as simple as that.
They wouldn't use anything even if it was provided.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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markP - I think sweeping generalisations like that are a tad uncalled for on this forum.
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I would actually agree with MarkP. The number of smokers I see who sinply flick cigarettes out of their car disgusts me
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You know it makes sense.
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That disgusts me too nbt, but that is not the point.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Smoke roll ups! No problem with fag ends then!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Sorry Dave. I did say the `average smoker`. So not such a sweeping generalisation really.
No offense meant obviously. Just observing.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Homophobia?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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http://www.fall-line.co.uk/news.php?10,40
With regards the comment the ski areas look ugly anyway in summer - it might look ugly but the wildlife don't really care what it looks like. Their not going to swallow and choke on a lift tower*, but on fag butt then can and frequently do.
* if theres anything that can eat a lift tower, maybe we don't want to be skiing there in the first place!
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| markP wrote: |
I don't think non smokers quite understand the mentality of your average smoker.
They don't care. Its as simple as that.
They wouldn't use anything even if it was provided. |
I know lots of 'average smokers' and they do care. If facilities are available for depositing cigarette ends they will be used. Smokers have got so used to having nowhere to put a cigarette end they throw it to the ground, or guiltily flick it in a bush/drain/clump of snow/whatever. Pocket ashtrays are great and ought to be encouraged, a metal, gridded receptacle somewhere convenient for stubbing and disposing would be used afaics.
If there's nothing there to use, what do you expect?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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i have pocket ashtrays for free to those who want, way better than throwing away on mountain, pay a visit/ fags wear one pieces too
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| kittya wrote: |
| If there's nothing there to use, what do you expect? |
Erm, take your own tin or other suitable receptacle? I have managed to live my entire life without being a litter-chucking moron, & I fail to see why others cannot do the same...
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people who throw fag ends from chair lifts are lower than snow bladers, how would you like it if we all came from the mountains to your garden and threw our fag ends over it.
If anyone has never seen under a lift in the summer it really is amazing, literally thousands of them, alongside the beer cans, coke bottles etc. On swiss cigarettes it says on the foil paper have a nice holiday keep CH beautifull, in english.
I've got one of these japanese things, 
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Mosha Marc, ooh yeah, that;s an old thread
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Mosha Marc, I do occasionally like resurrecting old threads 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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kittya, why don't smokers take care of taking butt ends home with them where there are no facilities? If you were walking over the moors and needed somewhere to put your Twix wrapper and there was no bin, what would you do?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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twix wrapper could easily be stowed in pocket, whereas a cigarette butt would quickly stink it out, not such an attractive option! The tins are a great idea though, there just need to also be enough bins on the mountain that smokers could regularly empty the tin into to prevent it getting too full/fag butts flying out every time you open it.
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You know it makes sense.
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I know lots of 'average smokers' and they do care. If facilities are available for depositing cigarette ends they will be used.
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You can buy those little pocket ashtrays everywhere. Or you can carry a poly bag. Most smokers don't bother, which suggests to me that they don't care at all.
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If there's nothing there to use, what do you expect?
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I expect the filthy inconsiderate morons to put fag ends in their pockets or control their sad addiction. What sort of pathetic excuse is that for chucking litter all over the mountain? 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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gregor the viking, smokers already stink, so what's the difference? Besides, smokers could easily carry a bag to put the butts in to.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Lizzard, and whilst we are in the habit of stereotyping entire groups - I've seen children and incosiderate parents drop sweetie wrappers. Maybe we should blow smoke in their faces until they realise the error of their ways and their effect on ruining my holiday 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Guvnor, excellent idea. You can all carry on dropping money though - I collected 10€ on a litter pick of just one piste this spring.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Still going on about Brokeback Mt Resort, about time you came out.
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| kittya wrote: |
| Pocket ashtrays are great and ought to be encouraged |
Just thought I'd quote meself since some of you appear to be under the impression that I'm condoning the flicking of dimps on the ground. I'm not.
| hyweljenkins wrote: |
| kittya, why don't smokers take care of taking butt ends home with them where there are no facilities? If you were walking over the moors and needed somewhere to put your Twix wrapper and there was no bin, what would you do? |
I don't know the answer to your first question. I'm not every smoker. I don't eat Twix so have never been faced with a Twix wrapper on the moors dilemma, I'd probably be so fearful (y'know when opening these plastic wrappers, sometimes bits fall off and might get blown away in a breeze, however careful y'might be!) that I'd not bother opening it until safely stood next to a public litter receptacle.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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pet hates...fag butts and plastic tees...!! both take ages to get rid of..and it is not that big a problem to resolve, but we are too lazy...
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I'm a smoker but apparently not average. It disgusts me to see smokers chucking fag ends out of their car or from a chairlift or anywhere else for that matter.
I use the ashtray in the car and a little free portable ashtray I picked up in Val D'Isere last year when I'm skiing. They were handing them out at most lift stations and it has La Rosiere, Valmorel, Avoriaz, Val D'Isere printed on it so it looks like quite a few resorts have started handing them out. Before I had that, I used to hold it until I got to the top and then put it in the bin which they almost always have at the top of lifts.
Smokers who drop their fag ends are just selfish, pure and simple. It's no different to any other littering.
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My butts get the tip rubbed off on the buckle of my ski boot, and then they get put in my pocket. Easy as that.
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To see the problem butts cause get an old, large and transparent bottle, fill it with water and leave a single butt it for a while. It'll look rotten very fast.
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Surely that's a good thing, though? Means they're decomposing faster than, say, crisp packets?
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