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hi have boarded for five - one week holidays now but on the last one i decided to change from goofey [ sorry bout spellin ] to regular as although when set up goofy i found it easier to ride regular but then again found it easier to ride switch with goofy set up, now if that has'nt confused you my main question is ' what are the factory settings for the angles on bindings' and can anyone give me any tips on if the board handles different / easier with certain set ups. i have tended to use the settings that were on the board when i rented it but am looking to experiment when i next go ( 15 weeks to go ] . any comments would be welcome.
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andybabes, I thought that Goofy was a cartoon dog and regular a small coffee. Confused
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My Flow bindings can be set at any angle whatsoever because it is based on a circular pad ratchet thingy
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there is no such thing as factory settings, rental boards get set up for beginners/common angles, your rental board was probably set up +18 +6 or something like that. Try anything you like, from +21 to +9 on the front to +9 -21 on the back, you dont want less on the front than the back, +9 -12 for example. Experiment with it, see what you like. If you're going switch a lot then almost the same for both feet is good. I'm rocking +15 -12 I think now. If you're just going to ride forwards and carve it up a bit then +18 +6 is alright.
If you go too far with the back angles, like -24 and on or something then you'll get pain in your upper legs if your riding doesnt match the reason for such a big angle.
Experiment, that's half the fun of snowboarding, and what sets it apart from sk***g if you ask me.
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andybabes, I ride goofy and used to have mine set duck (like a duck's feet), both feet pointing the opposite directions. A typical 'duck' setting is -15/+15 so the toes are pointing outwards, the heels being closer together than the toes. I used to find that worked well but the main problem I had was when proper razzing it down hill, I found it a little hard to quickly shift my weight for quick turns, especially when making a heel edge turn. Toe edges were great, because I seemed to feel more in control of the carve, but heel edge turns felt wierd, as if the back fo the board wasn't gripping and the carve becoming to wide.

I've now set mine to -5/+17, so my right foot (front) is pointing more in the direction I'm going, with the rear (left) foot nearly at 90 degrees to the board. I just feel this helps me turn on both edges and gives me a more comfortable ride over mixed terrain.

I started off regular but I found my front foot (which is now my rear foot when riding goofy) just wasn't allowing me to put enough weight onto it. I've had a few leg injuries over the years so i reckon they had something to do with that.

I found that standing up (as you normally would) and then taking a look at the angles of how your feet are is a good starting point to work out your binding position. Just experiment until you find a comfort zone.
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rayscoops wrote:
My Flow bindings can be set at any angle whatsoever because it is based on a circular pad ratchet thingy


doesnt help you when the highback falls off and you die, probably NehNeh
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Specialman, highback rotation sorts out the weight thing.
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stab, I take it you don't mean forward lean? Not sure how I 'rotate' the highbacks on my Elevens.
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as far as I'm aware you can't rotate them Sad

stolen from the burton forum.

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stab wrote:
rayscoops wrote:
My Flow bindings can be set at any angle whatsoever because it is based on a circular pad ratchet thingy


doesnt help you when the highback falls off and you die, probably NehNeh


i do not need my high back to fall off to die, probably, I seem to be getting there quite nicely with out such technical assistance Very Happy
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Nothing like a good binding setting discussion to drag you lot out of your posting slump
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DebbiDoesSnow wrote:
Nothing like a good binding setting discussion to drag you lot out of your posting slump


sad but true !!! Very Happy
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DebbiDoesSnow, lol it's true Embarassed

rayscoops,
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My Flow bindings can be set at any angle whatsoever because it is based on a circular pad ratchet thingy


Don't know if I'm getting what you mean: aren't all bindings? I can change mine with either a hex nut for the angle or a screwdriver for the high back.

+15/-6 tempted to go -9 for teh steeze but there's probably no advantages for what I do.
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Swirly, I was going to say 'all binding types' but I have not used 'all binding types', so I left it vague and wishy washy Laughing
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Get a bootfitter to measure your; Stance, Pronation and Ab-Duction. Then let them set it up for you properly.
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God knows what my setting are... I just go for what feels right ... you lot are nerds for knowing the exact parameters
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, didn't see many bindings in your emporium NehNeh

DebbiDoesSnow, that's why you're always on yer ar5e Razz
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Swirly, its never my ar$e, its normally my face Laughing
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Swirly, But there are always plenty of feet, what are you putting in your bindings? Cool
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stab wrote:
rayscoops wrote:
My Flow bindings can be set at any angle whatsoever because it is based on a circular pad ratchet thingy

doesnt help you when the highback falls off and you die, probably NehNeh

Spray them gold, that'll fix it wink

Seriously, though: the power triangle thing (silly name, it's just a strong cable) will probably stop that from happening. I read one horror story (see Post #9) and while I have much sympathy with the poster, I can't help but wonder if their bindings were old/badly maintained - certainly this doesn't seem like a high probability event with newer Flows, where the release lever doesn't look very catchy (so to speak).

One thing I can say is that Flows do take a lot more adjusting to get right when you first wear them than regular two-strap bindings... but in my opinion it's well worth it.

As for Flow bindings being inherently dangerous compared to two-straps, I have yet to see any evidence of this and I don't buy it. I snowboarded in March this year with a guy who dislocated his knee during the week when his (poorly maintained) two-strap rental bindings gave out on him on a steep red, causing him to be suddently one-footing it down the fall line...

I guess what I'm trying to say is: show your bindings some love, whether they be Flow or two-strap or hard-boot Eurocarve monstrosities... Razz
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Spray them gold, that'll fix it wink



now you're talking, glad you can see my point of view now Smile
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stab, as it happens i just sprayed the back of some glass with metallic silver paint !!! and I have a can of the gold stuff too, so maybe my Flows will get some of that ....... then all I will need is some Kill Bill yellow boots ...... Very Happy
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, you put feet in them? No wonder I've been struggling.

Serious answer: I think binding angle is something you can work out by yourself with experimentation no doubt all the things you mention determine what works best for an individual and you'd probably be able to suggest a near best angle quicker than it could be worked out by the end user. Angles are also defined by the type of riding e.g. stab spends half his time going backwards so has the -12 on the back while for years I rode +9 on the back foot as I just didn't do switch now I do and it's -6.

The issue of fitted boots is another one entirely though Toofy Grin
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Swirly, I kinda agree, but defining stance width in accordance with muscle propreception, pronation and abduction can imoprove; comfort, control and strength. I have never met a snowboarder that has been spot on with their angles and hasn't benefited from these techniques.
Bootfitting Snowboarders is a waste of time unless they're chicks. Toofy Grin Laughing
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