 Poster: A snowHead
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I make that a total of 220,000 tips.
Rocky Mountain News
Market prediction: twin-tip sales will go into reverse sometime. Any other tips welcome.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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David Goldsmith, triumph of marketing over common sense...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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David Goldsmith, would you say sales are going backwards?
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Not a chance. The introduction of triple-tip and quad-tip skis in 2009 will see tip sales going mental.
People talk about bells and whistles. They forget the importance of tips.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Amazing how fancy graphics and pretty colours can sell a product.
David I am intrigued will triple tip and quad tip skis have a diffrent sidecut to normal skis? Is thrust vectoring the next ski inovation?
How about twin tip monoboards?
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| Ordhan wrote: |
| Amazing how fancy graphics and pretty colours can sell a product. |
Like "NUCLEAR RACE! sUPER exTTTra 9x banana Monocomposte-carbobadgercore (tm) X5" in about 15 different fonts across the topsheet in oh so tasteful race colours? 
I can't see for the life of me why sliding downhill asswards on sticks is any more nonsensical than sliding down forwards. You get to see more of the mountains that way.
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
| David Goldsmith, triumph of marketing over common sense... |
Maybe, but people appreciate tips.
Waiters, hairdressers etc.
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I'd heard that snowboard sales were diving at the expense of twin tips ... regardless of marketing hype it has to be good if boarders are switching to skis
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See? They add romance and charm to the sport.
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Landing backwards off jumps, and switch-skiing, has certainly added a dimension to the sport.
The first wave of twin-tip skis, which started with (from memory) the Olin Mark IV (American-made ski) in about 1976, were geared to helping people spin in ballet skiing. People didn't really think about skiing backwards much, and certainly didn't land backwards.
One problem with twin-tip skis is planting them in the snow when having lunch - it's impossible!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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David,
I am sure your wisdom is far beyond mine but I did read in Fall line or one of them this year
Did the Canadian Air Force (The extreme skiers) not the plane types badger Saloman into producing the 1080? not sure how true it is or if it was the first commercial twin tip?
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| Ordhan wrote: |
| How about twin tip monoboards? |
Sounds like a snowboard to me.
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You know it makes sense.
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There's no way the Salomon 1080 was the first commercial twin tip, but it had apparent novelty because that aspect of ski design had gone quiet for a long period. Ballet skis and trick skis with turned up tails were all over the place in the mid-late 70s, and that was the result of about a 5-year craze for 'hot dog' trick skiing (ballet, bumps, aerials) which began in the States around 1971.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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"Ballet" skiing. I bet that was considered way cool by the kids (not)
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Poster: A snowHead
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It probably did suffer a slight image problem on that front. It's actually a brilliant skill to acquire in skiing because it involves a lot of balance stuff, skiing on one ski, skiing on the uphill ski, deliberate upper-body rotation etc. The problem (which is maybe why it didn't last long in the Winter Olympics) is that it doesn't offer as much visual drama as ice dancing. Aerials and bump skiing are more specific to skiing.
Ballet skiing was actually inspired by the trick skiing of Art Furrer and others in the 1960s.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Thanks David yeah bit of an unfortunate name for the ballet skiing have images of a mountain covered in blokes with tu tu's on 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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At the minute, being only able to carry one pair of skis on holiday, I see no point in not buying twin tips. It makes more sense to me that twins would be the norm and single tips a more specialist racing thing.
Going backwards and landing backwards is fun!
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In my experience, the tail of a twin-tipped ski feels different when carving a turn (forwards). Maybe the torsional stiffness of the rear of a ski is compromised when you build in the facility to ski and turn backwards.
Does a modern twin-tip (haven't used one for a while) skid out on a forward-carved turn?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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David Goldsmith, Some do - depends on construction, shape and mounting. My Public Enemys for example are not so hot at finishing the last 25% of the turn mounted right back, but I suspect the same would be true of any ski mounted way behind BoF.
For the sheer hell of it I've just bought bigger sillier twins with a bunch of metal in them so we'll see if that helps 
For me though the smearability and skidability is the best thing about twin tips - even more so than the not seeing where you're going. I find race type groomer skis remarkably dull after a morning or so, unless you really have the room to let 'em rip (and at 215lbs with limited talent, I needs me a lot of space).
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David Goldsmith, I have Rossignol Scratch, pretty much a pure park ski, mounted a little back of centre in the freeride position and they don't skid out at all on forward carves. I learned to carve on them though, so havn't skiied on anything else since. I'm also pretty light for my height, so that might make them feel stiffer than they would to most. I'd quite like to try a pair of race skis of some sort just to compare.
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
| David Goldsmith, triumph of marketing over common sense... |
Not a sign that younger generations of skiiers are more interested and investing more money into the sport then?
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The point of my last post, that I forgot to put in, was that twin tips for me are a triumph of common sense. I can do whatever I want on them without limiting myself. It's a lot like the fat skis debate. They won't be as good as proper race skis for on piste stuff, but that doesn't really matter, as they are perfectly capable, and they allow you to do things that piste skis just won't.
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FAQ
and then just 180 back to the front and shot off So dishearting (her or him same effect) but great to see 
