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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Witnesses told authorities that the restraining bar on the chair was not down....
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Strange how in Europe we would not dream of leaving the bar up. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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boredsurfin, most often there isn't a bar to pull down in the States. All to do with liability... if there's a bar and you fall off it's the resorts fault, if there's no bar and you fall off it's your fault. A mad world.
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if there's a bar and you fall off it's the resorts fault, if there's no bar and you fall off it's your fault.
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isn't that the wrong way round?
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I asked a park ranger in Yosemite if he knew what the weather forecast was, he said he did but could not tell me in case I sued him.
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that's poo-poo news... condolances to the lads friends and family
goes out skiing, doesn't go home...
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if there's a bar and you fall off it's the resorts fault, if there's no bar and you fall off it's your fault.
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isn't that the wrong way round? |
Nope. Mad innit? And now I think I'll sue you for implying that I don't know what I'm doing. This has affected my business, my health and brought shame on my entire family. Would you like to settle out of court?
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most often there isn't a bar to pull down in the States
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Another good reason to stay in europe then.
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Bones, Yep, but conversley I've been on chairs in France a couple of times when sharing with French people and they don't let you lift the bar up until almost the last moment 
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boredsurfin, yep...not sure if there's a theme running on the forum today...but I hate it up either too late or too early.
Sorry, I did mean that seriously, despite the double entendre - it's scary either way. What a sad incident.
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You know it makes sense.
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nightmare - terrbile that - I'm going to Heavenly in Feb...... wiill be making saure the bars are down, whether the Yanks like it or NOT!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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A few years ago in the US, I forgot which resort. A skier had a heart attack on a chairlift without a safety bar.
Because there was no safety bar he fell to the ground & the Ski Patrol were able to get to him & revive him. Im not sure what other injuries he sustained from the fall.
If however, he had continued slumped in the chair with a safety bar he would have died.
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Sat 1-12-07 12:38; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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If however, he had continued slumped in the chair with a safety bar he would of died.
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Shouldn't that be "he might have died"???
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tim Sawyer, stanton doesn't deal in uncertainties.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| nightmare - terrbile that - I'm going to Heavenly in Feb...... wiill be making saure the bars are down, whether the Yanks like it or NOT! |
shenryo, all you need to do is ask before you bring the bar down.
The won't like it if they are leaning forward, and you bring it down on their head, or hand!
Normal (polite) routine would be "Do you mind if I bring the bar down?" wait a couple of seconds, then bring it down.
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stanton doesn't deal in uncertainties
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Gotcha. Shouldn't that be "usually doesn't deal..." 
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Tim Sawyer,  I asked for that!
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and if they so 'no'? Bring it down on their heads?
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shenryo,
Push em off and then bring it down. 
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lmao - nice one T Bar 
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I don't think this is a big debate - no competent adult should fall off a chair under normal operating conditions bar or no bar.
Don't know what this says about the incident but not having the bar cracked across your skull by some imbecilic continental or timid English flower before you've even left the ground is one of the pleasures of skiing in the US IMV. They at least have the etiquette of asking "Bar down?"
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IBode Swiller, there was a rash of bar removals in the 80's, as well as foot rests being sawn off to avoid the lawyers attentions, but I thought that had turned round now with more and more states having legislation defining ski area liability? I am probably wrong.
What is true is that lots of locals and hard core skiers in the US never put the bar down. Lots of things can cause someone to become unpredictably and suddenly unconscious and so fall. First epileptic seizure for instance.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Holy smoke, I can remember lots of people pooh-pooh-ing other chair lift threads (what on earth are you talking about? - you just sit on it and stand up at the end! What are you scared of, for heaven's sake?!) They ought to come and take a look in here.
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I agree with fatbob about adults - its the little kids that scare me - when mixing in with ski schools and being asked to be a temporary child minder - I can't say I'm comfortable with it doing it but I'd hope another adult would help my kids - its go to be safer than letting them go up unsupervised at all. On the other hand I've not heard of any falling kids - perhaps its hushed up along with all those coaches that plunge inot the depths during airport transfers.
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You know it makes sense.
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coaches pluning? OMFG, what are you trying to say?
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Not worried about pluning but my wife is convinced that the incidence of coach v rocks has to be higher than the men in suits will have you believe (she gets updates through the fillings in her teeth..)
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Poster: A snowHead
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boredsurfin, I noticed yesterday that alot of the ski racers taking the chair in Tignes left the bar up, personally I wouldn't dream of it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Tim Sawyer wrote: |
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If however, he had continued slumped in the chair with a safety bar he would of died.
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Shouldn't that be "he might have died"??? |
No, he definitely would have died because of the remaining time to reach the top. Somewhere on the www there is a story. It was so many years ago +
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Sat 1-12-07 12:41; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stanton, Whichever, it's "have" and not "of" - which is an incredibly naff error, I'm afraid. I can't speak Dutch at all, so I'm not in any way casting aspersions on your considerable linguistic abilities. I just thought you might like to know.
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yet another resort I am visiting next year the bars will be coming down, that's for damn sure!
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Sad news, absolutely.
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hushed up along with all those coaches that plunge inot the depths during airport transfers.
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just to add to the gloom on this thread - we almost had of those, in Serbia, years ago - transfer from Kapaonik. The road was very icy, and the driver was driving far too fast. All the kids were enjoying themselves in the back, the adults tight lipped. Eventually, I decided to stop being British and go and ask the guy to slow down. Or rather, ask the tour rep, as my Serbo-Croat was limited to buying beers and coffees. I said firmly "If he goes round bends this fast I shall vomit all over the bus" and she asked him to slow down. He scarcely reacted and the road got scarier, big bends, big drops. Then we went into a huge skid, must have been 100 metres at least, you could just feel it lose traction as it floated towards the next bend. We came to a halt, faced almost back up the road, with the back end of the bus (full of the kids, who had gone quiet), hanging over the abyss and the rest of it right across both carriageways of the narrow road. Driver tried to drive forward - tyres gripped for a minute, then slipped back further. Sharp intakes of breath, no screams (we're British) and parents want to get kids out of back of bus. Tour guide "Please stay in your seats, everything's all right". Some mutinous muttering; but we're still British. I stood up and said loudly, and scaredly, "No, I think we should all get off the bus, immediately, unloading from the back." Everyone agreed, and we all got off and stood in freezing snow in woods on the uphill side of the road. I asked a couple of the guys to go back up, and down, the road to flag down any other idiots driving too fast. There was a huge slab of ice, several feet long and several inches thick, under the wheels - we'd obviously skidded down on that. Eventually, after our uphill chap had waved his red flannel drawers at a coach which had thankfully been going a bit slower, the driver got the bus back on the road, facing in the right direction, and we all got on again, cold but very relieved - we could hardly have been much closer. It was a long transfer - and by this time we were late, so he started driving fast again and this time everyone yelled at him to slow down. We'd stopped being British.
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| nightmare - terrbile that - I'm going to Heavenly in Feb...... wiill be making saure the bars are down, whether the Yanks like it or NOT! |
shenryo, all you need to do is ask before you bring the bar down.
The won't like it if they are leaning forward, and you bring it down on their head, or hand!
Normal (polite) routine would be "Do you mind if I bring the bar down?" wait a couple of seconds, then bring it down. |
Which all suggests there is a culture that does not want you to lower the bar. Were that not so, the others would not be leaning forward or whatever. I'd find that inhibiting - and would rather not want to go to such a resort in the first place.
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Which all suggests there is a culture that does not want you to lower the bar
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not necessarily. I am all for lowering bars, and not putting them up too soon, but there are some idiots who bring them down far too hastily, without checking. I don't see why people should find it inhibiting to feel that they need to check that people are ready before yanking!
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Sad story but I would love to go in a blaze of glory while skiing. Prefrebly somwhere like LE GRAVE 
