 Poster: A snowHead
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hi there!
I decided to marry a duch ski istructor in Austria!
but for languages problem we moved to France.
He has a diplom called anwaerter or anwarter, and we tought that, moving from an european country to another.... there want be any problem!
but it's not so...
in france seems that this diplom in not reconized completely and that he needed to pass a so called
SKI DU TEST ALPIN
he will have his test in few days but now some ski school said that is not enough !!!!
do you know anything about it??
what shell we do to have his degree reconized ??
many many many thanks to everybody will help us !!!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The joys of living and working in France. In a number of years you will classified as French and probably not need the "Ski du test alpin"! The simple and unfair thing is that the ESF do not want an Austrian trained Dutch guy working in the resort. You may try one of the international ski schools. There has been many threads on this particular topic before, but the French unions want to have a closed shop. That is the rub.
There are some  's that teach in some resorts in France, and it will be best to wait for their responses and see how they achieved this.
Gwiwenneth, Where are you looking to work?
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brian
brian
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Gwiwenneth, bienvenue aux s.
You might get a quicker answer in the "Bend ze Knees" section of the forum as a lot of instructors read and post there, maybe title your post something like "Help - Question on Equivalence Between France and Austria" to attract the right attention.
However, as I understand it, to teach freely in France he would need to have a qualification that was recognised as being at ISTD level and I don't think Anwarter is, I think you have to have the Landesskilehrer qualification.
So, I think he has the equivalent of the British BASI 2 (ski instructor) which means that if he passes the test technique (a timed slalom) then he can work at a school that's designated as a training centre, but not all of them are.
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Gwiwenneth, anwarter is only the entry-level Austrian qualification. In order to teach autonomously in France, he'd need the Austrian staatlicher qualification. Even the intermediate landeschilehrer qualification would be insufficient. He could however pass the Test Technique slalom and work (theoretically limited to 3 years) as a stagiere for a French ski school willing and able to employ him (while he works towards the challenging Eurotest giant slalom and a French Moniteur National qualification). Anywhere else in the EuroGroup region but France...they have their own rules but it'd probably be easier! Good luck.
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Gwiwenneth, Sorry should have said, welcome to 's.
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I've moved this into Bend Ze Knees as it's a better place for it.
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yess... thanks also to the admin
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Gwiwenneth, In my experience most of the ESF schools are only too happy to take on Dutch instructors as stagiares. Great language skills and the ability to speak dutch! It's a big advantage. However, yes, the Anwarter is basically a village qualification and not sufficient. Landeschilehrer is regional and holds ISIA status, but only Staedledt holds ISTD. It might be better for your husband to start again in the French system if you wish to live here permanently. I think the test they're talking about is the Test Technique and this is the entry level for French ski instructor training. If he can pass this he's on his way. Good luck. 
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Thanks a lot Easiski
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easiski, Did we not have this debate around this time last season???? In theory you are right about Dutch nationals having better language skills than most in the esf. The closed shop is still a problem is it not? As a matter of interest how many expats are there teaching in L2A excluding your good self and then % in terms of the whole gaggle of instructors stagieares to director included.
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Roy Hockley, I know 1 brit and a Dane and a couple of Dutch working for the ESF. I think there's also at least one Chech ... quite a few. Obviously we're a minority, but you'd expect that. I've never noticed the ESF here (obviously can't speak for other ski schools) having a reluctance to hire foreign instructors - rather the opposite - foreign instructors not wanting to work for the ESF! I was offered a job on numerous occasions, but wouldn't on principal!
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easiski, That is about 2% then. Does not sound as if they are embracing the EC and its ethos!!!
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You know it makes sense.
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easiski Same in the 3V (certainly Courch and Meribel), pretty much any instructor with appropriate qual's and good language skills would get snapped up. I can think of at least 10 Brits off the top of my head (and I'm a bit out of touch with the 'yoof' stagiaires etc).
Roy Hockley, Have to agree with easiski on this. 2% probably ain't bad, when you think of the number of French instructors there are and how much the ESF is still an 'institution' if you are an instructor coming through ENSA. Also most Brits I know would probably tend to go with one if the International schools as the system tends to be less hierarchical (ie as a rookie (Brit or French) they'll get more work.)
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Roy Hockley, I would think you'd be surprised to find 2% foreigners working in most businesses in England! (Don't count imports)
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Poster: A snowHead
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easiski, 2%, I'd say way more than that.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I deal with the hotel industry in Ireland. That particular industry has possibly 50+% of foreign nationals. Glad to know that you believe the barriers have come down and are embracing civilised uniformed standards that all are elligable. If so Gwiwenneth, partner will be able to work in the same capacity in France that he was in Austria, but you know as well as I do that is unlikely. After all his teaching skills are probably comparable to most found in our favourite French resorts!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Roy Hockley, Anworter is just a village qualification - I did one once in Wengen when I was a Grade 3. If he's keen they'll take him on and train him though. Holland is not in the Eurozone because they don't meet the standards, and TBH having taught a good many who learned in their big snowdomes it's a bit dodgy. I'm sure that this gentleman is fine though.
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easiski, I am sure he is, and as you say may be a better communicator/teacher than some in the ESF. No doubt he will have to do the French BS system.
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Roy Hockley, Can anyone from any country work in a bar in your hotels? or do they need to do an irish course on responsible service of alcohol?
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little tiger, You are no doubt aware of the % of foreign nationals working in the industry here! Looking at the timing of your post, were you doing extensive homework on this subject ? 
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My wife and duaghter were taught by a dutch guy last year in Val D'Isere , company was Evolution 2 , maybe worth checking with them what their requirements are
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easiski, I thought the dutch NVVS was in the euro group 
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slikedges, you are right, Holland are in the eurogroup along with eight other states. However, it is likely that they have to finish some of their courses through the other members.
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Hi easiski, in Austria the Anwaerter qualification is not a "village qualification", whatever that means!
Many, many instructors work in Austria holding just this qualification. It is awarded by one of the provincial (or regional) ski federations in Austria, and is the first rung on the ladder, enabling you to teach children and beginners. The Landesschilehrer (intermediate) qualification is also awarded by the provincial ski federations. The only qualification awarded by the National Ski Federation is the Staatliche, which is held by very few instructors working in Austria.
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