 Poster: A snowHead
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Running a coach trip next easter and my nephew is coming who will be 1 years old at time of travelling. Grandmother is coming to look after him etc so childcare no problem.
Problem is how does a 1 year old sit on a coach. No coach company has three point belts on their 49 seat coaches and dont want him on a lap whole way. 
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a) Know a good coach company with three point belts so he could take his normal car seat.
b)know a car seat that will work with lap belts.
Mother is reluctant to bring him without one of these two and i will lose 4 places from my coach and an apartment.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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You're going to let a one year old on a coach that you're also on?
Ear plugs? Ear defenders?
And I'd suggest both adult and junior valium.
Oh, and gaffa tape for the nipper...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Well every plane journey i've ever been on i've had a baby who cried next to me the whole way! So coach should be easy. Will sleep most of way.
I have suggested gaffer tape. But for the child seat not for the baby 
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garethjomo, wouldn't a forward facing child seat with its own seat belts work fine with a lap belt?
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Would it be worth asking the coach company whether they have any special provisions for children that age? I'm trying to remember what I did with mine - my youngest has been on a coach trip to France every year since birth. I think I took his forward facing car seat and used the lap belt.
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I'm hoping it does work fine with a lap belt but am after reassurance. Have asked three coach companies as well as one i've provisionally booked and none of them had answer. Will actually take child seat into school and try it with one of coaches that brings kids in.
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garethjomo, with a number of years experience of selling car seats in Mothercare, just a word of caution - the lap belt might well strap the car seat in, that doesn't mean it is secure or safe. This from Dept Transport advice "There is nothing in law to prevent child restraints being used if they fit in a bus or coach. However, these vehicles may only have lap belts and most child seats need lap and diagonal belts in order to be secured. In addition, the seats in these vehicles may be the wrong proportions for child restraints"
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| parlor wrote: |
| Ear plugs? Ear defenders? And I'd suggest both adult and junior valium.... |
For the rest of the coach.....
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I've emailed my brother who is in the coach industry to see if he can help out with a coach operator in your area that would have a coach with 3 point seat belt. I'll let you know.
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garethjomo, The local authorities in Bristol and the surrounding areas INSIST on 3 point belts on any coaches used for school contracts; lap belts are no longer acceptable. Perhaps other councils nearer to you have similar policies which would enable you to find a suitable vehicle.
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Hi, Im Snowboard Vickys brother. I may be able to help find a suitable coach I own a coach company in North West, but know a lot of people across uk, somebody must have what you need. Just could do with a bit more info.... When and where are you going, and where abouts in UK are you going from? If you are using a tour company, have you asked them to source a coach with 3pb?
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garethjomo, I can understand your concern. Lap belts aren't safe for older children, either - they can get bad abdominal injuries. I have been on coaches with three point belts, and they will hopefully become the industry standard. I hope someone comes up with something.
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nellyb, We're leaving from Swansea 28th March to Les Deux Alpes. Return following Saturday. We're not using tour company just booked apartments seperate. I've asked several companies. One has offered three point belts but it would mean travelling on a bus with no toilet etc. If you know any companies message me with their contact details.
johnnyboy, I dont think councils in Wales have same policy but could use a Bristol company if you know any names as their buses are more likely to have 3 point belts.
Thanks
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You know it makes sense.
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So far, Ive come up with this option..... Trathens Starriders of Plymouth have new 49 seater exec (toileted) coaches with 3-point belts. They will pick-up from any location in the UK. I've tried phoning them, but my contact is on holiday today but back in office tomorrow. If you want to call them yourself please feel free. 01752 772000 ask for JB (john bettinson). You can mention my name if you want (Neil from Coachmasters) Let me know how you get on.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Thanks. I will ring them for quote. Will let you know.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Well it looks like the kid will be safe. Shame everyone else will die due to lap belts 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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garethjomo, PM sent.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Frosty the Snowman, Ah....but in the scale of fatalities did more die before their installation? Is it a case of the lesser of two evils. The same must be true of aircraft - they don't have three point belts and I imagine very young infants are as equally difficult to secure in an aeroplane as in a coach - it seems to me a very similar seating arrangement - almost as though a plane is just a large coach with wings and socking great big engines.
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Megamum, and much less likely to hit anything else than a coach or car.
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Helen Beaumont, maybe, but is that any less reason to consider the correct restraints for children in an aeroplane?
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Megamum, In all likelihood, any accident in an aeroplane that is likely to be bad enough for lap belts to do damage is likely to kill everyone on board regardless of the type of seat belts used; the same cannot be said of accidents involving coaches.
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Megamum, 'correct' restraints would eb useless in an aeroplane accidet, and it would be difficult to adopt the 'brace position' with a three-point seat belt.
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Helen Beaumont, OK, leaving aside the disaster scenario and just out of pure interest, would the brace position be necessary with a three point inertia seatbelt?
and of course every seat could be fitted with an air bag in front 
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leaving aside the disaster scenario and just out of pure interest, would the brace position be necessary with a three point inertia seatbelt?
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No, I guess it wouldn't - one reason for the brace position must be to stop people being flung forward out of control and chopped in half by their lap straps. I agree that in a plane crash any kind of belt would normally be completely useless, but they are helpful in clear air turbulence, I understand - if a plane suddenly drops like a stone an unrestrained passenger can hit the roof, but a seat belt would keep you safe. Equally, I suppose, if there was a bit of a bump when the plane is taxying (how do you spell that?) seat belted passengers would be safer (but not protected from the impatient idiots who stand up and start getting their stuff out of the overhead lockers before the plane has come to a complete standstill....)
It surely can't be long, after the latest horrible coach crash, before the nonsense of lap straps (and of the optional wearing of them) is stopped. Unrestrained passengers are, after all, a big hazard to others too. My overweight sister in law is a seat belt refuser - I won't drive my car with her in the rear seat, unrestrained, behind me. It's more dangerous than passive smoking, that's for sure.
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