 Poster: A snowHead
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My new skis have arrived ! ! ! Well not new as in new model but new old model if you get my drift. Anyway back to the point - How do you adjust the din settings? Is it just a matter of turning the screws front and back? They are set rather too low for a lady of my girth 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ickabodblue, Take them to a shop.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rjs, Won't they be upset that I didn't buy them from them?
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brian
brian
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ickabodblue, yes, it is just a case of turning the screws. I wouldn't bother with the shop if you are confident about the setting to use and don't need advice.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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brian, Thanks Brian, yup I know what setting to use.
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ickabodblue, if you have them set to the right length for your boots, then adjust the DIN to the correct level on the toe and heel pieces, then adust the toe height/wings (if they are adjustable), and finally adjust the forward release. After that, test them, re-adjust all settings (as each one will change slightly when you adjust the others), retest, and then they are good to go. (don't skip any of these steps!)
If not, go to a shop, pay £25, or so, and get them to do it.
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Wear The Fox Hat, Right, done that, the settings didn't change much. Now to hit the snowdome at the weekend ! 
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err, is anyone else uncomfortable with this one....
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Powderhound, We did try...
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rjs, Powderhound, Oh alright, I promise I will take them to the ski store at my local club and get the bloke there to check them. ('cos I know you're right really)
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ickabodblue, Just to be on the safe side, when you go to the snowdome and before you put your boots on, I'd get the guys that hand out the rental skis just to double check the dins on them just to be on the safe side, I'd be surprised if the said no or tried to charge you for this.
I know its not rocket science but torn things in knees hurt, trust me.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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ickabodblue, a friend of mine did exactly as kiwi1 suggested, just get them to have a look for you, they were more than happen at xscape in castleford.
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| kiwi1 wrote: |
| ... but torn things in knees hurt, trust me. |
I'll second that.
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks for all the warnings folks, I did the sensible thing and took them to the slope where youngest son had his lesson yesterday. They have been checked and are ready to go and I have peace of mind all for the price of a pint!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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For Dins upto 8-9, I'll always do a kick check after resetting them..for further piece of mind...
This is where I twist my boot out of the binding.... you need good and strong muscles around the knee to do this so make sure you have those first. For dryslope of indoors, you wouldn't need them at your holiday DIN settings, I'd say. You could afford to come down a notch ot two. Depends how fast you can go in there.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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lampbus,
how long is the rehab after that..? will you be fit this season..?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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JT, It looks like I will skip the coming season or I may risk the EoSB 08.
However, I am seriously thinking of attending the MSB and trying to see how wrinkly I can get in the pool/sauna/steam room 
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lampbus, I don't know the details of your 'incident' but what was your DIN setting & was it a slow speed twist?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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spyderjon, setting was 7 or 8. and it was a slow rearward twisting fall. Neither ski released, just felt the left foot go 'waggly' and a nebulious pain. No 'pop' (although the ACL is popped).
I had been moving quickly on piste, braked heavily in low visability and passed into a patch of softer fresh snow slightly off balance. Because I had been heading from piste to deep powder all week, I was used to reacting to the sudden slowing by pushing my shins forwards at the transition. Unfortunately, the patch wasnt deep or extensive so I was back on hardpack in the back seat and twisted. That did the job. 
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Anyone remember whether Lange's rear cuff release was available on non mid-entry boots?
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The implication from some of these statements is that the correct DIN settings will prevent knee injuries - I guess that should be 'will minimalise' possible knee injuries. Mine were set by the lady in the hire shop who has apparently run the place for countless years and I still twisted a knee that morning in the fog on the little slope - I think it may just be sorting itself out - it was still giving me lots of pain earlier in the summer, but it doesn't play up as often now and I hope it will allow me to use the exercise machine when I talk myself back into 'getting fit for skiing' mode
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Megamum, perhaps find something not quite as boring that actually uses the muscles around the knee instead of isolating them away from the effort? What happened to the skating plan?
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comprex, 'skating plan' - that wasn't me - I've no-where to (ice) skate (though I don't make a bad effort on them) that isn't a good drive away so its not really practical, and no surfaces locally that are flat enough to rollerblade (not even convinced I could rollerblade - I've never tried a pair - though I used to be good with the model that had had a 4 wheels - one at each corner)
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lampbus, from what I've read that type of fall is the really damaging one. As you say, just a bit of bad luck really.
Megamum, yep, designed to minmise injury. The problem for skilled skiers, especially the bigger framed, is that they require higher settings to ensure against 'pre-releases' at higher speeds etc. These higher settings then leave the user susceptable to low speed twists. I met a guy last year whose ACL was ruptured when he was clattered in to by a child whilst he was stationary at the back of a lift line & he'd twisted badly before his binding release.
The different binding manufacturers make their products to comform to the same DIN release values, however differing designs do mean that they release in different ways which can make certian designs more suitable for certain uses like racing, landing jumps whilst skiing switch or cliff hucking etc.
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Megamum, from this article comes the best "brain train" quote I've seen yet:
| Marty Gallagher wrote: |
| the mind, the brain, the internal thought process, can become your biggest ally or worst enemy. Psychological positioning is critical; optimally the athlete is enthused and excited and fired up about the plan and the process. |
Find something that fires you up, don't waste time and energy on exciting yourself for the merely convenient.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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While I wholly agree that bindings should not be tinkered with, I always think its a good idea to get know how to check and adjust my own bindings properly.
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jbob, how do you resolve this seeming paradox?
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You know it makes sense.
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There is some good chat about DIN settings and the associated benefits of getting them right. It is well worth bearing in mind that skiing on inappropriate skis these days will lead to equal levels of injury. The ability to hold G through a turn due to improved edge hold and lateral twist characteristics means that more and more people are skiing faster, with increased lean angles while trying to maintain an upright posture. The stresses on the knee due to the lateral displacement of the centre of gravity leads to greater force on the medial collateral ligament which has more elasticity than the ACL. A slip while in the critical phase of the turn - and at the point of max G loading - means that when the ski re-bites the force on the knee joint is intolerable and the 'closing-drawer' movement of the knee joint - forward or backwards independently of the thigh - over-stresses the ACL causing it to stretch or, in extremis, snap. This is likely to be what happened in lampbus' case. It is certainly what happened to my wife's knee when moving unexpectedly from powder to boiler plate (thus unweighting unwittingly in the critical phase of a turn) and back onto powder now relaxed but still in the same phase of the turn.
Understanding some of the forces that we are subjecting oursleves to may not be fully commensurate with the extract that comprex has given us but the mechanics and physical implications are worth being aware of...
The fact that I snapped all knee ligaments in a 'high-side' crash while racing was not due to having bindings set to 14, but more due to the lack of race fitness and using high performance skis... DIN is important but consider whether you need race boots and high-end skis for the type of skiing you are intending to do, then get the bindings checked out!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| comprex wrote: |
| jbob, how do you resolve this seeming paradox? |
Tinkering implies ignorance, whenever I get new bindings I read the instructions and talk to the tech in the shop where I get them from.
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Poster: A snowHead
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jbob, I believe knowing how a binding works is only half of the issue, you need to learn in what situations your binding should be 'tinkered with', if any situation at all..
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