 Poster: A snowHead
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On another forum there's a section where "experts" discuss their favourite skis for next year. One "expert" claims to "hate" moguls.
This seems odd to me - surely an expert skier is at least competent in all conditions - and IMHO should delight in gobbling up huge great moguls.
Thoughts?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I think he/she is a twit. Moguls are one of the great challenges and great fun when the going is good, and really horrible when the going is tough.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I don't really enjoy skiing moguls, too much effort for little adrenaline. Yeah you can say, 'look at me, i've skiied that!', but that's not really what I enjoy. It's all a personal thing at the end of the day.
Give me a nice long steep red or 3 ft deep powder over moguls anyday!
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David Murdoch, i'm no expert but i cant say i like moguls too much as with arthritis one mogul run equals about 10 on piste runs as far as damage to the body is concerned, so i tend to avoid then. but you are right an expert should be comfortable in the moguls no matter what the conditions.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Did he say he struggles with them? You can be highly competent at something and still detest actually doing it...
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I can't ski bumps, speed is comprimised. Don't know what that says about my skiing, but i don't fancy spending the time on something tiring and painful on my knees when there is always a smoother, faster line. 
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, I don't know what it says about your skiing either, but it is a tribute to the power of your brain! 
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I used to ski bumps all of the time, I still like them, but boy do my knees suffer. I try to avoid them now, not looking forward to arthritis.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I used to hate bumps but a couple of days group lessons in Lake Louise about seven years ago opened my eyes to them. Granted its a lot more fun skiing fresh moguls than mounds of boiler plate but I dont shy away from them now.
Sadly poorer fitness and a couple of years off when our kids were born has meant my technique has regressed but I still get a big thrill linking turns in control through them although I guess the experts would class what I attempt more as mogulettes than moguls. I am also skiing on 8 year old first generation paraboliques at 187cm and am trying to convince myself that its these out of date planks rather than my fat a**e and poor fitness are to blame.
Ah well ya can allways dream
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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abc,
Just the reply I was hoping for, now I have a confirmation of my theory and a justifiable reason to look at new skis Plus more time spent here reading ski reviews, what a chore.
Seriously though I was looking for new skis this winter, the goal is to shift a bit of weight first though but here's hoping.
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You know it makes sense.
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Just to reposition the thread, I wasn't originally seeking comment on whether you 'orrible lot liked moguls or not, but whether a self described expert could hate them - incidentally, I don't think he can do them but doesn't like them but rather that he doesn't like them as he can't do them...
Comments invited.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
Just to reposition the thread, I wasn't originally seeking comment on whether you 'orrible lot liked moguls or not, but whether a self described expert could hate them - incidentally, I don't think he can do them but doesn't like them but rather that he doesn't like them as he can't do them...
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i would say unless you know him personally, your making a huge assumption
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Poster: A snowHead
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Yeah, I would say I could ski any mogul run fairly competently and without much hassle. I'm no 'expert', but just because I can ski something doesn't mean I'll enjoy it.
I wouldn't go as far as saying I hated them though..
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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graeme, not really. The essence of communication is that a message needs to be sent and received. The implication from the site is that the person in question hates bumps cos he finds them difficult.
Which then leads me to beg the question of whether an "expert" can be described as such without being able to do most aspects of the sport to a competent standard.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I personally expect an 'expert' skier to be able to ski basically anything that is reachable by a skilift.
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David Murdoch,
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whether an "expert" can be described as such without being able to do most aspects of the sport to a competent standard.
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I'm no expert, but this looks like a no-brainer to me. The answer is no. Or am I missing something?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Is a sprinter not an Athelete even though they maybe bad at long distance?
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ffs, your seeing what you prefer to see because it suits your own agenda. get a life
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, the sprinter is not holding himself out as an expert at long distance. They are both athletes, each with his own expertise.
graeme, Congratulations on your 400th, even if it was a bit grumpy! 
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If he can't do them, he's no "expert" skier. Period. There's no two ways about that.
It's perfectly ok to dislike them. People who ski mostly backcountry don't have moguls so they don't have to be good at them at all. But they should be able to ski them if need be.
On the other hand, he may be an "expert" on skinny up and finding the best route down?
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
Which then leads me to beg the question of whether an "expert" can be described as such without being able to do most aspects of the sport to a competent standard. |
Are we including the race course in the "most aspects"?
What level is "competent"?
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I don't particularly like skiing bumps. I can ski them fine though.
I usually only take race skis on trips. Race GS skis are not much fun in bumps and I don't want to risk bending either them or my slalom skis.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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It's ok for an expert to hate them. Not ok for him to have any difficulty doing them.
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| Spikyhedgehog wrote: |
| I personally expect an 'expert' skier to be able to ski basically anything that is reachable by a skilift. |
including or excluding the cross, rails, funpark and pipe?
I would say excluding those areas but others might not agree. Top level instructors are required to have some competence in these areas now aren't they?
Still I would expect someone who is an expert all-mountain skier to be able to ski moguls... after all making short radius turns where the terrain dictates is a basic skill.
After having a hate-hate experience with moguls - even after instruction - I learned to at least get along with regular bumps and found the skill was extremely useful for negociating the forest trails that often form the lower sections of ski tours in the area. I'm far from an expert skier though.
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It's ok for an expert to hate them. Not ok for him to have any difficulty doing them.
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Correct. I know a very good instructor and competing pro freeskier who would fall into this category. He dislikes skiing and teaching moguls but I don't know too many people who could follow him down a zip line and look as good. Swine.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
graeme, not really. The essence of communication is that a message needs to be sent and received. The implication from the site is that the person in question hates bumps cos he finds them difficult.
Which then leads me to beg the question of whether an "expert" can be described as such without being able to do most aspects of the sport to a competent standard. |
I wouldn't have thought the 2 positions are incompatible - one could be an expert but personally dislike moguls without being contradictory. I'd also be very carefull about defining expert as doing most aspects of a sport competently - how are everone's skills on urban rails, gap jumps and cliff hucks?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| BGA wrote: |
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It's ok for an expert to hate them. Not ok for him to have any difficulty doing them.
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Correct. I know a very good instructor and competing pro freeskier who would fall into this category. He dislikes skiing and teaching moguls but I don't know too many people who could follow him down a zip line and look as good. Swine. |
I'm not an instructor, but thanks anyway.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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fatbob, hmmm, I guess we're into the old "what is an expert" question.
IMO, gap jumps and cliff jumps are possibly into extreme territory i.e. beyond expert. So I suggest a reasonably conservative definition of an expert as a high level instructor. So BASI/CSIA 3-4. I would be disappointed in a teacher of that level of qualification (with no physical problems) who couldn't zipper a line of bumps. They might not like them but I'd be amazed if they suggested they hated them.
And just to clarify, I was simply surprised to read that someone who called themselves "expert" hated bumps. Oh and who then went on to rave about a certain pair of skis cos they made bumps so much easier. Just conflicts with the definition of "expert" in my head.
Hey ho...
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"Everyone Lies" (about their ability) - Gregory House, M.D.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Perhaps as simple as this "expert" skier isn't much an expert in communication?
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David Murdoch, i like your definition of expert and i recon by the way you talk you are more than handy in the bumps... 
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veeeight, God I love House.
It's just so brilliant.
And so is Jennifer Morrison. Ahhh..
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There are several definitions of 'hate'. Which one is the poster refering to exactly?
If their knees hurt, then it is perfectly fine to 'dislike' the moguls.
If their body works well, it is hard to see why they would be averse to bumps. Nothing beats bouncing effortlessly down the hill past some loser with their skis flying all over the place.
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| Whitegold wrote: |
There are several definitions of 'hate'. Which one is the poster refering to exactly?
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There are also several definition of the word 'mogul' running from fluffy little ripples on a sunny day to icy giants with Somme like trenches in a whiteout...
When all the above who love skiing moguls say that are they referring to a nice pitch of evenly spaced soft bumps? Also what is defined as being able to really ski bumps as opposed to just getting down them? Is that not as much of a question as what is an expert skier?
A few of the best skiers I know sometimes don't even bother turning in the bumps (or anywhere in fact)!! 
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) but should be able to do it really well if they had to!