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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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kitenski, 2, 2 and 2 again.
That isn't what I would call a brace, more of a 'knee support' - but I'm sure someone will tell me otherwise ... and they should only be worn, so I am told, under a physician's guidance.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I would guess at a bit of wear and tear that could be the result of the femur injury
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Seconded on the option 2.
Nasty break.
I wouldn't call that a brace either, esp as all the braces I've seen are at least £300.
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2, defo.
I'd also say that if you insist on keeping on exercising, then a knee support may provide some protection. So, put your feet up, and get the wife to do all the work for you.
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I'm guessing that you have degenerative changes in that knee secondary to the previous fracture of your femur. Pushing it, I wonder whether you have a torn meniscus secondary to the early degeneration. I would go for option 2, and start with the physio, if it improves then fine if not then you need an orthopaedic opinion, who would recommend either an MRI or an arthroscopy. MRI is non-invasive, but if you have an arthroscopy and they find a torn meniscus then they can do something about it then and there.
Continue with gentle low impact exercise, but stop immediately if your knee starts to hurt.
Hope that this is helpful.
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Oh, and stay away from JT. 
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Jeez........... I should have been a doctor
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If your knees are generally pretty strong I've discovered they can mask ongoing problems & even good physios aren't as good at diagnosing stuff as orthopaedic specialists. My ACL tear was diagnosed by 2 different physios as illiotibial band syndrome.
Any swelling after severe activity - like a full day's powder skiing?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Agenterre, One doesn't need to be a doctor to know what is wrong with you. Just being able to read the date on the birth certificate is enough
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You know it makes sense.
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Agenterre, I believe the vet was authorised to do yours
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Frosty the Snowman, Miaow !! .. although probably not the primate you were thinking of ... we have established I was born this way ... and your excuse ?
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Poster: A snowHead
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cheers all.
Firstly no swelling ever, even after skiing with JT
secondly the femur break was in 1993, the knee problems have only really come in in the past 6-8 months, maybe the femur break is a red herring?
I rang BUPA, I have to get a GP to refer me, should I try and get referred to a pysio or a orthopaedic specialist do you reckon?
I'll be off to the GP Wed assuming I can get an appointment (normally ok ringing at 8am on the day), how do I convince him not to tell me just to rest.....
Twisting/sprinting isn't good for it, but gym machines, biking etc seem fine.....
cheers,
greg
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| kitenski wrote: |
| secondly the femur break was in 1993, the knee problems have only really come in in the past 6-8 months, maybe the femur break is a red herring? |
I'm afraid not. As soon as you break a weight bearing bone degeneration usually starts slowly in the joint above and below the break.
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| I rang BUPA, I have to get a GP to refer me, should I try and get referred to a pysio or a orthopaedic specialist do you reckon? |
Difficult one this, if you see an orthopaedic consultant it is likely that you'll end up listed for an arthroscopy, if you see a physio then you may get away without needing one. I'd see what your GP recommends after seeing and examining you.
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| I'll be off to the GP Wed assuming I can get an appointment (normally ok ringing at 8am on the day), how do I convince him not to tell me just to rest..... |
Shouldn't be a problem as long as you let him know that you've got insurance.
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Twisting/sprinting isn't good for it, but gym machines, biking etc seem fine.....
cheers,
greg |
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Kramer wrote: |
| kitenski wrote: |
| secondly the femur break was in 1993, the knee problems have only really come in in the past 6-8 months, maybe the femur break is a red herring? |
I'm afraid not. As soon as you break a weight bearing bone degeneration usually starts slowly in the joint above and below the break.
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bah 
thanks for all the replies......
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oh and kramer, not questioning you but why does a break mean the joints degenerate? Just trying to learn more....
ergards,
Greg
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kitenski,
Just my 2p...but I think an MRI will show you the state of the knee and then the specialist can refer you to a physio with a good picture of the problem.
If you can go private you may be able to 'stear' the diagnosis this way... and it will be done PDQ..
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cheers JT, I have BUPA, but have to be referred to a GP, will be hopefully be down for an appointment tomorrow. Does kitesurfing count as lgentle low impact exercise
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I believe that MRI can miss quite a few things that can be picked up by a half decent knee surgeon.
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my MRI a few years back showed nothing, surgeon decided to operate, and solved all sorts of long term problems....not managed to cure me from posting on here through 
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The MRI's are only as good as the radiologist reading them
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And the radiographer taking them.
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| kitenski wrote: |
| oh and kramer, not questioning you but why does a break mean the joints degenerate? Just trying to learn more.... |
I was hoping that you wouldn't ask that one...
I think that it may have something to do with the bone almost never healing perfectly straight, and so creating abnormal stress on the joint. On the other hand I may have just made that up.  I can't quite remember.
The degeneration of the joints does happen though, honest.
JT MRI vs arthroscopy is a long running debate amongst knee surgeons.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Kramer,
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I think that it may have something to do with the bone almost never healing perfectly straight, and so creating abnormal stress on the joint. On the other hand I may have just made that up. I can't quite remember.
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if my biomechanics training serves me right...few years back now  that sounds about right
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so you mean with all those 18 screws, 12" metal bar as well as nicking bone from my hip and they still couldn't set my femur straight...............
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You know it makes sense.
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There's straight. And then, there's STRAIGTHT.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I have had both knees worked on, 10 & 8 years ago. My surgeon said the best way of finding out what was the problem was arthroscopy. To quote him he said that "whilst he was looking around if he found anything wrong he would tidy it with the laser". No further problems since, and I have not used the knee support again! Well worth it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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well I've been to see the GP, he tells me he can feel clicking in my knee, and has referred me to a specialist, I have an appointment with him on the 26th June.
booked in to see Stuart Calder
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEsurgeon/calder01/index.php?memberid=131
Biog: Dr Calder is a consultant orthopaedic surgeon specialising in knees.
He is also an Honorary Lecturer at Leeds University Medical School, and is heavily involved in the training of orthopaedic surgeons.
Special Interests
Sports injuries (from amateur to professional), arthroscopic (keyhole) surgery, ligament reconstruction, arthritis surgery (total and unicompartment knee replacement), tibial osteotomy and patello-femoral (kneecap) resurfacing.
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kitenski, he sounds like the man to see. He'll be able to give you a definitive answer.
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| Kramer wrote: |
| kitenski, he sounds like the man to see. He'll be able to give you a definitive answer. |
yeh his bio does read well 
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kitenski,
It must have been that Bupa ticket you waived around....  but if you end up with the right Doc, that sounds good...and he sounds good.. Ask him what sports knowledge he has in what sports and remember that alot of these guys start with the stance that they can get you to a reasonable standard of health... but what is his defintion of reasonable compared to what you will want to do? I mean. I once went to physio for a broken finger and most people in my sessions were trying to get movement out of a hand with toes grafted on as fingers... its kind of relative.
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Hi Kitenski
I run a physio practice in Bath. Sounds like youve got good advice here. The only thing I would add is to check what you wear on your feet. I get alot of people in the clinic who have all sorts of knee pains, and the problem is that they have remained friends with a pair of shoes along time. Sounds trivial doesn't it!! But it accounts for a fair proportion of knee pains. To check, buy a new pair of shoes wear for a few days. If it is the case your pains will drop substantially within 48 hours usually. Ask your physio to check yours. All the best
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kitenski, A friend of mine had a pretty bad ACL injury a couple of years ago, and he does alot of road cycling to keep it in shape..
thought I would bring that idea up, could be good after you sort your knee out to help get it better!
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cheers guys,
Stainforth, after lots of sprinting/turning it's still sore when walking up the stairs in the house with no shoes on! Or were you referring to the shoes I train in???
george - funny you should say that I've been doing lots more road biking recently!
regards,
greg
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well been to see the specialist this morning, from what I described he thinks I've torn a cartilage.
He kept changing his mind between having an MRI or an arthroscopy, saying if MRI shows a problem, he would do arthroscopy, if not he would do it anyhow to have a look, so may as well do it straight off!
In the end we plumped for the MRI next Tuesday.....
regards,
Greg
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| Kramer wrote: |
| I'm guessing that you have degenerative changes in that knee secondary to the previous fracture of your femur. Pushing it, I wonder whether you have a torn meniscus secondary to the early degeneration. |
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